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    Thrusting itself into the news cycle yet again is the much-maligned Chevy Volt. It is just us or does it seem like it’s one thing after another with this car?

    Take, for instance, just last week when the Obama Administration tried again to increase the Volt’s tax credit from $7,500 to $10,000. Pretty big increase, right?

    But perhaps more controversial than the car’s generous tax credits, or the fact that GM refuses to admit it’s a flop, or that the batteries seem to have a real problem with spontaneous combustion, is the fact that even GM admits the car can be very dangerous — and it’s going to cost you.

    Writing for Town Hall, Steven Smoot reports: “[T]he Department of Energy allocated $4.4 million dollars for programs to prevent fire fighters from electrocuting themselves while trying to rescue crash victims.”

    Smoot continues:

    Last year, the National Fire Protection Agency started a program of state level trainings focusing on how first responders can safely deal with the new problems posed by the Chevy Volt and other cars of similar design. The NFPA in a press release estimates that over 10,000 first responders have taken at least some training in dealing with the dangers of cars like the Volt.

    The danger to firefighters comes in two forms: the Volt’s battery and the construction of the car itself.

    “The lithium-ion used in modern electric cars are not like the old lead-acid batteries of the past. They are more powerful and, when damaged, the fluid inside can leak out, creating a short on the circuit boards that are used to control the batteries,” industry expert Gary Howell of Howell Automotive said.

    “The fluid dries and crystallizes, creating a short, sometimes weeks after the damage to the battery occurred,” he adds.

    And that’s how we get the aforementioned “spontaneous combustion” issues.

    But what about the car’s design? Consider the following: General Motors Service Technical College actually provides instruction manuals to firefighters around the country on how to not kill themselves while saving someone from a wrecked Volt.

    “Just this week, their publication on the Volt was cited by a Baltimore County, Maryland Fire Service Special Interest Bulletin,” Smoot notes. “After a bizarre paragraph extolling the virtues of the car itself, the bulletin gets down to the business of informing fire fighters of how to not kill themselves trying to rescue a crash victim.”

    According to the bulletin:

    There is a yellow First Responder cable “cut” tag wrapped around the low volt positive battery cable behind the fuse panel door, located on the left side of the rear compartment (see diagram on next page). This cable should be cut first to disable the vehicle safely before beginning any extrication. The cable should be cut on both sides of the label to ensure the cut cable ends do not inadvertently touch and re-energize the vehicle.

    But wait! There’s more! The GM manual makes sure to warn that “cutting these cables can result in serious injury or death.” So yeah, the possibility of a firefighter dying while trying to save someone from a wrecked Volt is, apparently, very real.

    DOE Allocated $4.4M to Teach Firefighters How to Rescue People From Wrecked Volts Without Killing Themselves“Hence the need for spending $4.4 million in taxpayer money to train firefighters across the country to protect themselves from a car that the government paid people $7,500 per unit to purchase,” Smoot writes.

    Considering the all safety issues Smoot raises, along with the other reasons for why owning an electric vehicle right now might be a bad idea, is it any wonder GM can’t sell these things?


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  • #2
    Not just a Volt thing but any EV that comes out. Emergency workers will have to be careful because those things carry some serious amps and can do some damage while working a crash scene Im sure.

    That article is seriously anti-gm though, EV's are the way of the future but they are all still in their infancy. Batteries technology needs to catch up.

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    • #3
      Another waste of taxpayers dollars. Scrap that piece of shit. Green cars are too expensive. Let's just drill more oil mr. President!

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      • #4
        This article sounds like it was written by or for an oil company.

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        • #5
          That article really pisses me off...advancement has to start somewhere.

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          • #6
            Point is, tax dollars has funded the Volt, subsidizes buying it and is now subsidizing training to handle it.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
              Point is, tax dollars has funded the Volt, subsidizes buying it and is now subsidizing training to handle it.
              It isn't just the volt... they have been spending money training rescue workers on hybrid vehicles for years, and there have been tax credits for those vehicles in the past. So its unfair to target the volt exclusively.

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              • #8
                No, it's really not. The federal government handed GM billions, are currently offering 'tax incentives' of 10k per Volt (no rebate for the Leaf or the Focus), the Volt is currently not being produced because it is such a failure. It's perfectly fair to target the Volt as my tax dollars are paying to not only run the company, but to build the car, give the car to someone and then train emergency techs not to be killed by a car that shouldn't be on the road in the first place
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                  No, it's really not. The federal government handed GM billions, are currently offering 'tax incentives' of 10k per Volt (no rebate for the Leaf or the Focus), the Volt is currently not being produced because it is such a failure. It's perfectly fair to target the Volt as my tax dollars are paying to not only run the company, but to build the car, give the car to someone and then train emergency techs not to be killed by a car that shouldn't be on the road in the first place
                  The leaf is eligible for tax credits. Information easily found by a google search. Research more.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                    No, it's really not. The federal government handed GM billions, are currently offering 'tax incentives' of 10k per Volt (no rebate for the Leaf or the Focus), the Volt is currently not being produced because it is such a failure. It's perfectly fair to target the Volt as my tax dollars are paying to not only run the company, but to build the car, give the car to someone and then train emergency techs not to be killed by a car that shouldn't be on the road in the first place
                    Lol I bet you bitch about gas prices too don't you? And you're probably one of those people that whine about nuclear power as well huh? Such a joke...

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                    • #11
                      Nope, love nuclear power. It's the way of the future. As far as gas prices? Yes, I bitch about it because this administration is not drilling here. Hell, wont' allow drilling here. Remember the Gulf moratorium? Or the refusal to drill in ANWAR or off the East Coast?

                      No business should get tax dollars and there should be zero tax credits to buy a vehicle the government wants you to. There is no constitutional power to do so.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by racrguy View Post
                        The leaf is eligible for tax credits. Information easily found by a google search. Research more.
                        So is the 2012 Prius, just not as much because of the smaller battery capacity.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by UserX View Post
                          This article sounds like it was written by or for an oil company.
                          x1000

                          that is all i could think about when i was reading this "article". just like the oil companies killed the ev1.

                          i don't think it is any surprise that in the last 25 years the fuel economy of a compact car hasn't gotten any better, in fact with some models it has gotten worse. i know that the added weight of safety equipment has it's toll, but if an 87 honda civic could can a true 40mpg why does it take a hybrid to get that now?

                          in that same span the mustang has gone from 215hp to 400hp and gets the same mpg, hell, the corvette went from 215hp to 630 (zr1) and i bet the zr1 gets better gas mileage then an 87 vette.

                          i know there is a limitation to how much energy you can squeeze out of a gallon of gas, but it really does seem like the oil companies have their best interest at heart and have been able to keep innovations that would effect their bottom line at bay. //removing tin foil hat

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by dville_gt View Post
                            x1000

                            that is all i could think about when i was reading this "article". just like the oil companies killed the ev1.

                            i don't think it is any surprise that in the last 25 years the fuel economy of a compact car hasn't gotten any better, in fact with some models it has gotten worse. i know that the added weight of safety equipment has it's toll, but if an 87 honda civic could can a true 40mpg why does it take a hybrid to get that now?

                            in that same span the mustang has gone from 215hp to 400hp and gets the same mpg, hell, the corvette went from 215hp to 630 (zr1) and i bet the zr1 gets better gas mileage then an 87 vette.

                            i know there is a limitation to how much energy you can squeeze out of a gallon of gas, but it really does seem like the oil companies have their best interest at heart and have been able to keep innovations that would effect their bottom line at bay. //removing tin foil hat
                            I can answer this for you and has nothing to do with oil companies. Cafe Standards. You keep adding smog stuff, side impact this, crumple that and you lose mileage
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                            • #15
                              Let's not forget that the cars nowadays are making more power, probably close to double of what they did 20-25 years ago. More weight keeps mileage the same, efficiency goes up, cars make more power.

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