Christmas for a disabled Vet

[davbrucas]

Yes, he's been out for 5 years. It was only within the last couple of weeks (I believe) he lost his job and his wife was in a car accident and he didn't ask for help. I did. He doesn't know anything is going on, he confided in me about some issues he was having, soldier to soldier and I decided to try to help.

So what happens if he hasnt gotten his shit together by next Christmas? You gonna take up another collection, soldier to soldier, to help this guy out? He served our country and was wounded in comvat. For that he deserves some respect, but his life is still in shambles 5 yrs later?C'mon. At what point does personal responsibility kick in? Youre wrong for laying a guilt trip on this site to help someone that you decided was worthy. Poor soldier cant afford to take care of his family on xmas. Please help. Of course people will help, but what happens when a member of this site needs us but the well is dry from stuff like this? Dude, I'm no scrooge. I was a combat soldier at one point and I help out where I can, but sometimes tough love works best. Our govt has shown that handouts do not work. But props to you for trying to make a difference...I just disagree with your methods. Kinda like the lesson in the Bible about giving a man some fish vs teaching him to fish.
Happy Holidays,
Dr Scrooge.

[black2002ls]

So what happens if he hasnt gotten his shit together by next Christmas? You gonna take up another collection, soldier to soldier, to help this guy out? He served our country and was wounded in comvat. For that he deserves some respect, but his life is still in shambles 5 yrs later?C'mon. At what point does personal responsibility kick in? Youre wrong for laying a guilt trip on this site to help someone that you decided was worthy. Poor soldier cant afford to take care of his family on xmas. Please help. Of course people will help, but what happens when a member of this site needs us but the well is dry from stuff like this? Dude, I'm no scrooge. I was a combat soldier at one point and I help out where I can, but sometimes tough love works best. Our govt has shown that handouts do not work. But props to you for trying to make a difference...I just disagree with your methods. Kinda like the lesson in the Bible about giving a man some fish vs teaching him to fish.
Happy Holidays,
Dr Scrooge.

I don't see it as someone who hasn't been able to get their shit together. It sounds like this guy has fallen on hard times in a short time period. Over the last week, his wife was in a car accident and he lost his job. I don't see frost trying to make it into something its not. just my .02

[davbrucas]

I don't see it as someone who hasn't been able to get their shit together. It sounds like this guy has fallen on hard times in a short time period. Over the last week, his wife was in a car accident and he lost his job. I don't see frost trying to make it into something its not. just my .02

Thats your opinion. I voiced mine. How much have you donated to this guy...or other needy causes on this site?

[black2002ls]

Thats your opinion. I voiced mine. How much have you donated to this guy...or other needy causes on this site?

If I had the money to donate, I would to each and every one of them. I've been able to cover all of my personal bills for the first time since
January this month

[davbrucas]

If I had the money to donate, I would to each and every one of them. I've been able to cover all of my personal bills for the first time since
January this month

I bet.

[black2002ls]

I bet.

I didn't comment for someone to judge my personal situation, or to try and criticize me for not donating to the causes on this site. I didn't comment for someone to start a fight. Just thought I would give a little input. I've been out of a job and essentially homeless this year, but I've managed to dig out of that hole and prevail. From someone who has never asked for handouts and has fallen on sudden, unexpected hard times, I wanted to give my opinion.

[davbrucas]

I didn't comment for someone to judge my personal situation, or to try and criticize me for not donating to the causes on this site. I didn't comment for someone to start a fight. Just thought I would give a little input. I've been out of a job and essentially homeless this year, but I've managed to dig out of that hole and prevail. From someone who has never asked for handouts and has fallen on sudden, unexpected hard times, I wanted to give my opinion.

I didnt take/intend it that way. We need more people like you in this country. Get knocked down...then get right back up and take personal responsibility. Good for you.

[black2002ls]

I didnt take/intend it that way. We need more people like you in this country. Get knocked down...then get right back up and take personal responsibility. Good for you.

We can chalk it up to a big misunderstanding! I've learned a lot of lessons over the past year. Hopefully next year I will be able to help out with some of the great causes that come up on this board.

[Forever_frost]

No guilt trip intended. It's not an obligation to do a thing, nor should it be. He had his stuff together, he just hit a hell of a time within the last couple of weeks. And if it was a repeat thing I'd not have mentioned a thing. When I saw him last, last December, he had a good job with the Red Cross and was rocking along. But he hit some bad times and if it's a dick move to come here asking for help, then it's my move, not his. Call me the dick, not him.

This was my call, I remembered another family on the old site hitting some hard times and the community that popped up and said "Yeah, we look after our own." If you're a combat vet, then you should know how I feel about this and I'd do the same for you.

[davbrucas]

No guilt trip intended. It's not an obligation to do a thing, nor should it be. He had his stuff together, he just hit a hell of a time within the last couple of weeks. And if it was a repeat thing I'd not have mentioned a thing. When I saw him last, last December, he had a good job with the Red Cross and was rocking along. But he hit some bad times and if it's a dick move to come here asking for help, then it's my move, not his. Call me the dick, not him.

This was my call, I remembered another family on the old site hitting some hard times and the community that popped up and said "Yeah, we look after our own." If you're a combat vet, then you should know how I feel about this and I'd do the same for you.

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. Regardless of intentions, you bank on others' guilt to help this guy. Yes, I am a combat veteran and I disagree with helping someone who has been out 5yrs, has 2 kids in diapers, no job and no plan for the future. If you feel so strongly about it, go take out a loan for him or give him a car instead of passing it onto the people on here who have their own families to provide for...

[Forever_frost]

Actually, he is working on getting into school so he can get a degree and get back where he needs to be. He has a plan for the future and had things working out for him until this but, hey skepticism is good.

[davbrucas]

Actually, he is working on getting into school so he can get a degree and get back where he needs to be. He has a plan for the future and had things working out for him until this but, hey skepticism is good.

A mouth will say anything. You put too much faith in people.

[Forever_frost]

A mouth will say anything. You put too much faith in people.

And you put too little.

[Wicked98Snake]

A mouth will say anything. You put too much faith in people.

I think the meds you are on are turning you into an even bigger asshole.

[davbrucas]

I think the meds you are on are turning you into an even bigger asshole.

Nah. People just arent as noble as we would like them to be. And I have felt this way since 94. Wicked98snake, how much have you donated to this guy and the other requests on this site? If I am such the heartless asshole, then why did I give over $500 to complete strangers going through hard times? Helping people that cannot help themselves is a worthy cause.