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  • Marine's daughters held 13 hours after he was shot, attorney says

    By Christopher Goffard, Los Angeles Times

    10:43 p.m. PST, March 7, 2012
    For 13 hours after they watched an Orange County sheriff's deputy fatally shoot their father, the traumatized daughters of Marine Sgt. Manuel Loggins were held for questioning and not allowed to join their mother, according to the lawyer representing the Loggins family.

    "They just basically incarcerated them," attorney Brian T. Dunn said Wednesday, one month after the shooting in a darkened parking lot at San Clemente High School.

    The accusation is contained in a claim Dunn said he would file Wednesday with the county, giving notice that the Loggins family plans to file a wrongful death suit in Superior Court against the Sheriff's Department and the deputy.

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    An attorney representing Darren Sandberg, identified as the deputy who shot Loggins, declined comment. The sheriff's union had no comment.

    Orange County Sheriff Sandra Hutchens declined to discuss the facts of the case, saying the district attorney's office is investigating.

    "Everybody wants answers," she said. "That is what the investigation is for."

    The girls, ages 14 and 9, were in the family's sport utility vehicle with their father when the deputy fired into the vehicle before dawn on Feb. 7.

    The Sheriff's Department said Loggins had crashed through a gate at the parking lot, walked to a nearby athletic field and then ignored Sandberg's orders not to restart the SUV.

    At first, the department said Sandberg fired out of concern for his own safety, but later said Sandberg —a former Marine — feared for the girls' safety. Loggins was unarmed.

    The girls were held at the Orange County Sheriff's Department and not allowed to see their mother until 6 p.m. that day, Dunn said, describing the treatment as a form of "false imprisonment."

    "They had games for them to play, but they wouldn't let them go," Dunn said. "They probably kept asking them over and over and over what was going on till they got the answer they wanted."

    He said Loggins had committed no crime, posed no threat to anyone's life and that Sandberg shot him "multiple times."

    The sheriff's union, in early comments, said Loggins had been acting "irrationally," putting his daughters at risk and ultimately setting up his own death.

    The shooting has driven a wedge between the Marine Corps and sheriff's deputies in San Clemente, a beach town in south Orange County where both uniforms are a common sight. Camp Pendleton, where Loggins was based, is next to San Clemente, and sheriff's deputies patrol the city's streets.

    Dunn said in addition to a wrongful death suit, he would file suit in federal court on the grounds that Loggins' civil rights had been violated.

    Friends and Marine colleagues described Loggins, 31, as a body builder and martial arts expert, as well as a devoutly religious man who frequently took his daughters on early morning prayer walks at the high school track.

    He left behind three daughters and a pregnant wife, Phoebe, who gave birth to their fourth daughter days ago.

    "She's devastated. Her future's been changed in an instant," Dunn said. "She's not doing well."

    Critics of the shooting have asked why Sandberg didn't use nonlethal force against Loggins if he perceived a threat. Hutchens declined to comment on whether Sandberg had been carrying a Taser, saying they are optional for her deputies.

    "This is, I think, the first fatal shooting we've had in three years, so it's not a frequent event for us," Hutchens said.

    The district attorney's office said the investigation could take six months to a year to complete.



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  • #2
    So a deputy shot an unarmed man who was seated in his truck with his 2 daughters? Seems legit.

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    • #3
      I fail to see an issue

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      • #4
        He was just trying to get through his shift safely so he could go home at the end of the day.

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        • #5
          He ignored the officer's orders to not start the SUV. He had crashed through the gates there. Maybe the cop thought he was drunk and actually was worried about the safety of the girls?

          What kind of father does that shit anyway?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by TENGRAM View Post
            He ignored the officer's orders to not start the SUV. He had crashed through the gates there. Maybe the cop thought he was drunk and actually was worried about the safety of the girls?

            What kind of father does that shit anyway?
            The Sheriff's Department said Loggins had crashed through a gate at the parking lot, walked to a nearby athletic field and then ignored Sandberg's orders not to restart the SUV.

            At first, the department said Sandberg fired out of concern for his own safety, but later said Sandberg —a former Marine — feared for the girls' safety. Loggins was unarmed.

            Right. They changed their tune once already. You don't think they're covering their ass for a bad shoot, unlawful detainment and trying to mitigate the coming lawsuit? If he had done that, surely there were pictures of the damages to the gate and the truck
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            • #7
              Sounds like there is a lot missing from the story.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by talisman View Post
                Sounds like there is a lot missing from the story.
                there is something more to this...
                did the cop get time off with pay?
                first class white trash

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by TENGRAM View Post
                  He ignored the officer's orders to not start the SUV. He had crashed through the gates there. Maybe the cop thought he was drunk and actually was worried about the safety of the girls?

                  What kind of father does that shit anyway?
                  I'm not too sure that him firing multiple rounds into the vehicle that the girls were seated in was any less dangerous. Actually that sounds MUCH more dangerous to the girl's safety. The marine deserved to get into trouble, but this is not a situation that called for someone to be shot multiple times.
                  .223 > 911

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                    The Sheriff's Department said Loggins had crashed through a gate at the parking lot, walked to a nearby athletic field and then ignored Sandberg's orders not to restart the SUV.

                    At first, the department said Sandberg fired out of concern for his own safety, but later said Sandberg —a former Marine — feared for the girls' safety. Loggins was unarmed.

                    Right. They changed their tune once already. You don't think they're covering their ass for a bad shoot, unlawful detainment and trying to mitigate the coming lawsuit? If he had done that, surely there were pictures of the damages to the gate and the truck


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                    • #11
                      ^^^ Nice truck ^^^
                      .223 > 911

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Superwho View Post


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                        I rescind my statement. Wonder why they changed from "The officer was scared for his safety" to "he was scared for the little girls so the officer fired at him."

                        And then you have the unlawful detainment
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                          I rescind my statement. Wonder why they changed from "The officer was scared for his safety" to "he was scared for the little girls so the officer fired at him."

                          And then you have the unlawful detainment
                          Because it sounds better. Instead of oh shit I got scared and shot, it becomes valiant hero cop saves two young girls.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Forever_frost View Post
                            Wonder why they changed from "The officer was scared for his safety" to "he was scared for the little girls so the officer fired at him."
                            One was from the department and the other was from the officer. It's been my experience that company reps have no idea what is actually going on. I imagine that the PD is no different.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TENGRAM View Post
                              One was from the department and the other was from the officer. It's been my experience that company reps have no idea what is actually going on. I imagine that the PD is no different.
                              You mean the officer who fired into an SUV with 2 young girls in it or the police department that held two little girls away from their mom illegally?
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