Marine's daughters held 13 hours after he was shot, attorney says

[CJ]

I'm not jumping on the FTP train.

you start with a guy who blows through a gate, ignores officers, and then attempts to flee (start the vehicle). It's pretty obvious we're missing the other part of this story. IF what this story said is correct, the officer would have been discharged... and he wasn't. They wouldn't be focusing on a department "false imprisonment" charge if there was a wrongful death charge to be had.

[SouthernSVT]

I'm not jumping on the FTP train.

you start with a guy who blows through a gate, ignores officers, and then attempts to flee (start the vehicle). It's pretty obvious we're missing the other part of this story. IF what this story said is correct, the officer would have been discharged... and he wasn't. They wouldn't be focusing on a department "false imprisonment" charge if there was a wrongful death charge to be had.

The entire situation seems to have been handled very poorly by everyone involved. The department, the officer, and the father.

[Forever_frost]

I'm not jumping on the FTP train.

you start with a guy who blows through a gate, ignores officers, and then attempts to flee (start the vehicle). It's pretty obvious we're missing the other part of this story. IF what this story said is correct, the officer would have been discharged... and he wasn't. They wouldn't be focusing on a department "false imprisonment" charge if there was a wrongful death charge to be had.

"The accusation is contained in a claim Dunn said he would file Wednesday with the county, giving notice that the Loggins family plans to file a wrongful death suit in Superior Court against the Sheriff's Department and the deputy."

They are going after false imprisonment and wrongful death

[CJ]

"The accusation is contained in a claim Dunn said he would file Wednesday with the county, giving notice that the Loggins family plans to file a wrongful death suit in Superior Court against the Sheriff's Department and the deputy."

They are going after false imprisonment and wrongful death

Then we shall see.

[GT Fanatic]

Man my heart goes out to the girls, who had to witness that. How can someone described by his friends as a very positive person, just lose it with a cop in front of his 2 girls.

Nothing about this story makes sense.

[stang]

Truth is he who is still around to tell it.

Officer pulled gun, father panicked, for the safety of his children he gunned the truck crashing into the parking lot gate. Officer then was able to get several shots off at the father.

Just because your a police officer does not automatically make you some kind of hero.

[03trubluGT]

Truth is he who is still around to tell it.

Officer pulled gun, father panicked, for the safety of his children he gunned the truck crashing into the parking lot gate. Officer then was able to get several shots off at the father.

Just because your a police officer does not automatically make you some kind of hero.

You seem to have your facts backwards. The gate crashing was done before.

There is one reason I can think of that would take longer than necessary to interview a child than an adult.

We have an office that handles crimes against children. The people that interview children are not officers, but civilian employees extensively trained to interview children as gently as possible. Do you really want a hardened detective interviewing a child after a traumatic incident like this?

They could have had someone like that on callback and it took them several hours to come in depending on the circumstances.

And yes, authorities have the right to detain material witnesses.

A judge can even hold someone in contempt for refusing to testify.

As far as the incident itself, did everyone just ignore this part:

Friends and Marine colleagues described Loggins, 31, as a body builder and martial arts expert,

Reminds me of the guy in Costco that was killed when he was carrying his CHL weapon and refused to comply with the orders of officers. He too was a veteran. It seems that veterans have a hard time complying with authority and this is what happens.

There is a LOT more info that needs to come out before I take one side or the other on this.

I would hate to see this as a bad shoot. The sad thing is that money is tight and departments don't like to pay for the training that officers should get when we are faced with life/death situations. I think that better trained officer could avoid having to resort to deadly force as often as they do.

[Forever_frost]

Matt, do you have reason to believe the officer knew he was a martial arts expert? If not, then that doesn't matter as it would not have played into the factors.

[CJ]

Matt, do you have reason to believe the officer knew he was a martial arts expert? If not, then that doesn't matter as it would not have played into the factors.

If he's a body builder chances are you're going to find him more threatening than you average person.

[Forever_frost]

If he's a body builder chances are you're going to find him more threatening than you average person.

True, however the martial arts angle doesn't matter as the cop didn't know it

[03trubluGT]

Matt, do you have reason to believe the officer knew he was a martial arts expert? If not, then that doesn't matter as it would not have played into the factors.

Not at all, but it might have contributed to the exhibited attitude that the officer saw.


People are very easy to read. I'm sure the Marine didn't carry himself like Pee Wee Herman.

[Couver]

A judge is going to hold a 14 or a 9 year old in contempt? Sounds like something out of a John Grishom novel. The client maybe.

A good shooting or not the kids should not have been held that long IMHO....

[Forever_frost]

Not at all, but it might have contributed to the exhibited attitude that the officer saw.


People are very easy to read. I'm sure the Marine didn't carry himself like Pee Wee Herman.

I agree that you can tell military from civilians. We tend to walk differently and observe our surroundings and you're right, most of us coming back do have issues with authority. Especially authority that we feel are violating the rights we fought and bled for. You should know about that Matt, I've seen some of your posts when you believe a cop was wrong. I've read how it pissed you off.

That said, this officer fired at an unarmed man, into an SUV with two children in it and then the PD detained the children for 12 hours without allowing the mother access to her children. I'd like to see all the details on what investigators come up with and if the officer fired without cause and endangered those children, I want to see his badge taken. You don't go opening fire on someone who is unarmed. And I hope the little girls get a nice payout for being detained and further traumatized by the PD after they witnessed a cop shooting their dad and then questioned for 12 hours without allowing their mother to see them.

And last time I checked, a child had no requirement to speak to an officer about what their parent does like a spouse can refuse to talk. Those kids should have had an attorney present before they were questioned.

[03trubluGT]

A judge is going to hold a 14 or a 9 year old in contempt? Sounds like something out of a John Grishom novel. The client maybe.

A good shooting or not the kids should not have been held that long IMHO....

Not what I was saying at all. It was just more information.

[03trubluGT]

I agree that you can tell military from civilians. We tend to walk differently and observe our surroundings and you're right, most of us coming back do have issues with authority. Especially authority that we feel are violating the rights we fought and bled for. You should know about that Matt, I've seen some of your posts when you believe a cop was wrong. I've read how it pissed you off.

That said, this officer fired at an unarmed man, into an SUV with two children in it and then the PD detained the children for 12 hours without allowing the mother access to her children. I'd like to see all the details on what investigators come up with and if the officer fired without cause and endangered those children, I want to see his badge taken. You don't go opening fire on someone who is unarmed. And I hope the little girls get a nice payout for being detained and further traumatized by the PD after they witnessed a cop shooting their dad and then questioned for 12 hours without allowing their mother to see them.

And last time I checked, a child had no requirement to speak to an officer about what their parent does like a spouse can refuse to talk. Those kids should have had an attorney present before they were questioned.

Remember, a vehicle can be used as a weapon. If I think someone is going to run me over, you can be assured that my only option might be to take out the driver.

I know of a unarmed man that was killed by one of our officers:

http://www.wfaa.com/news/crime/Driver-shot-dead-after-dragging-Fort-Worth-officer-117121068.html

I'm not sure if a child can be made to testify or not, but I'm sure it will come out why the kids were detained for that long.