Score one for the citizenry.

[Broncojohnny]

I don't know, check out the case and see if getting hundreds of thousands of drugs off the street is worth it.

It isn't.

[forbes]

Then call in Becky Oliver and have her do it.


Don't make me responsible for the actions of others. We are all responsible for ourselves.

i didnt make u responsible for others...
but on the same token... u DO take up for the LEO's actions alot

[stevo]

Without going back, I think there was no set standard for getting a warrant for tracking, only searches involving phone, email, locations, etc. I think this case has now set the precedent.

Can you please show me where this quote mentions anything about tracking.

"The government physically occupied private property for the purpose of obtaining information. We have no doubt that such a physical intrusion would have been considered a 'search' within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment."

It looks to me they have an issue with law enforcement placing devices onto the personal property of citizens without a warrant. It is the same as trespassing onto someone's property to place a camera to collect information without a warrant.

Stevo

[forbes]

And don't go putting words into my mouth. You don't have that right.

like many officers do when they pull you over?
ex.
cop : do u know why i am pulling yo over
victim: no sir
cop:I am pulling you over for 50 in a 35, is there an emergency that would cause you to be speeding?
victim: no sir no emergency
cop: so you admit to speeding without an emergency, license, reg and ins please

hate when turnaround is fair play?

[03trubluGT]

Matt, the lengths you go to to justify things seriously gives me a headache some times. I'd like to pretend that you're just trying to stir the pot, but after all these years of reading this type of stuff from you, I don't believe that at all.

Eric, what exactly do you think I'm justifying? My point was that there is a mountain of bitching, and exactly no acting.

Ok then, why don't you explain how it's relevant instead of continually asserting. I've explained how it's not, now it's your turn. Step outside of your SOP.


I can say anything I please (within certain reasons). And I didn't put words in your mouth. You think average everyday citizens shouldn't worry about the government tracking them, so it stands to reason that you think the same about criminals. Or do you think criminals have more rights than the average citizen?

Have you ever been GPS-ed? Has any of your family ever been GPS-ed? Do you personally know ANYONE who has been GPS-ed? The numbers here are so extremely low I don't see it as an epidemic.

It isn't.

It sure can be. When one side is expected to play by the rules, and the other isn't, shortcuts can be expected. Not justified, but expected.

i didnt make u responsible for others...
but on the same token... u DO take up for the LEO's actions alot

Try doing the job for 10 minutes.

Can you please show me where this quote mentions anything about tracking.

It looks to me they have an issue with law enforcement placing devices onto the personal property of citizens without a warrant. It is the same as trespassing onto someone's property to place a camera to collect information without a warrant.

Stevo

You are right. I guess the agents should have waited until it was parked while they were running errands. Then it "should" have been legal.

like many officers do when they pull you over?
ex.
cop : do u know why i am pulling yo over
victim: no sir
cop:I am pulling you over for 50 in a 35, is there an emergency that would cause you to be speeding?
victim: no sir no emergency
cop: so you admit to speeding without an emergency, license, reg and ins please

hate when turnaround is fair play?

I don't do that, so don't lump me in that category.

When I run radar, I give 10 over for school zones, 15 over for surface streets, and 20 over on the highway.

When I catch someone at my limits, I lock the radar and walk up and say the same thing every time "Sir/Ma'm, the reason I stopped you was for XX in a XX zone" while showing them the radar. I ask for DL and INS, and since I started doing it this way about 5 years ago, I have had ZERO arguments or complaints.

If I catch someone doing over my limits and they slow down and the radar is locked at under the limit, I still do the stop, show the radar, and let them go with a positive contact. Note I didn't say "warning". Just showing them what the radar shows gets the point across.

I think that's a pretty damn fair way of doing business.

Sure, I exceed the speed limits from time to time, but I hold myself more accountable than I do the public. When I'm on the highway, I usually set the cruise for 8-9 mph over. I've never been stopped for that.

[talisman]

Eric, what exactly do you think I'm justifying? My point was that there is a mountain of bitching, and exactly no acting.

Maybe you waylaid that argument later in this thread, but your other posts that I'm addressing are the ones that seem to think tracking people without a warrant, or consent, is perfectly reasonable(because it doesn't affect "anyone").

How about we just cut out all the bullshit and get right to it. Do you honestly think that tracking should be allowed without a probable cause issued warrant? Because if you don't, I don't see what you're trying to prove in here. It's like you're trying to take 4 different arguments, and combine them by flushing them down a toilet. Stick to the topic for once.

[Forever_frost]

Have you ever been GPS-ed? Has any of your family ever been GPS-ed? Do you personally know ANYONE who has been GPS-ed? The numbers here are so extremely low I don't see it as an epidemic.

.

Have I ever been car jacked? Do I know anyone that has been? No, but I still lock my doors.

Have I ever been mugged? No. Do I know anyone that has? No. But I still have a CHL.

Have I ever had police kick in my door because they got the address wrong? No. Have I ever had the FBI chainsaw through my door? No. Do I still insist on my rights being respected and am I still protected by the Constitution? Absolutely.


You wouldn't enjoy it too much if someone was watching you and put a GPS tracker on your car so they could come in the middle of the night, kick through your door and detain you while shooting your animals and possibly your family depending on their trigger happiness.

[FunFordCobra]

Guilty
Until
Proven
Innocent

[forbes]

aww fuck it..

[03trubluGT]

Maybe you waylaid that argument later in this thread, but your other posts that I'm addressing are the ones that seem to think tracking people without a warrant, or consent, is perfectly reasonable(because it doesn't affect "anyone").

How about we just cut out all the bullshit and get right to it. Do you honestly think that tracking should be allowed without a probable cause issued warrant? Because if you don't, I don't see what you're trying to prove in here. It's like you're trying to take 4 different arguments, and combine them by flushing them down a toilet. Stick to the topic for once.

The answer is out there.

Try the search function, or has the collective memory of DFWM started to go bad?

[03trubluGT]

Have I ever been car jacked? Do I know anyone that has been? No, but I still lock my doors.

Have I ever been mugged? No. Do I know anyone that has? No. But I still have a CHL.

Have I ever had police kick in my door because they got the address wrong? No. Have I ever had the FBI chainsaw through my door? No. Do I still insist on my rights being respected and am I still protected by the Constitution? Absolutely.


You wouldn't enjoy it too much if someone was watching you and put a GPS tracker on your car so they could come in the middle of the night, kick through your door and detain you while shooting your animals and possibly your family depending on their trigger happiness.

There isn't a damn thing I do that could even remotely cause this to happen.

More so, I don't live next to anyone that this could happen to either.

[talisman]

The answer is out there.

Try the search function, or has the collective memory of DFWM started to go bad?

Figures.

[stevo]

You are right. I guess the agents should have waited until it was parked while they were running errands. Then it "should" have been legal.

The illegal act (illegal search and seizure) was them placing the device onto the personal property (the vehicle). It matters not where the vehicle was located when they placed it, it was the act of placing it onto the vehicle without a warrant which is against the 4th Amendment.

Stevo

[stevo]

There isn't a damn thing I do that could even remotely cause this to happen.

More so, I don't live next to anyone that this could happen to either.

Ell ohh ell.

Stevo

[sc281]

There isn't a damn thing I do that could even remotely cause this to happen.

More so, I don't live next to anyone that this could happen to either.

But it has happened before.

So you're okay with it happening as long as:

you don't cause it
it doesn't happen to you
it doesn't happen to anyone who lives next to you


gotcha