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    A small step back from 1984, but a step it is.

    A Supreme Court decision has caused a "sea change" in law enforcement, prompting the FBI to turn off nearly 3,000 Global Positioning System (GPS) devices used to track suspects, according to the agency's general counsel.
    When the decision-U.S. v. Jones-was released at the end of January, agents were ordered to stop using GPS devices immediately and told to await guidance on retrieving the devices, FBI general counsel Andrew Weissmann said in a recent talk at a University of San Francisco conference. Weissmann said the court's ruling lacked clarity and the agency needs new guidance or it risks having cases overturned.

    The Jones case stemmed from the conviction of night club owner Antoine Jones on drug charges. Law enforcement had used a variety of techniques to link him to co-conspirators in the case, including information gathered from a GPS device that was placed on a Jeep primarily used by Jones. Law enforcement had no valid warrant to place the device on the car.

    Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for a five-member majority, held that the installation and use of the device constituted a search under the Fourth Amendment based on trespass grounds. The ruling overturned Jones' conviction.

    "It is important to be clear about what occurred in this case," Scalia wrote. "The government physically occupied private property for the purpose of obtaining information. We have no doubt that such a physical intrusion would have been considered a 'search' within the meaning of the Fourth Amendment."

    It was a narrow ruling only directly impacting those devices that were physically placed on vehicles.

    Weissmann said it wasn't Scalia's majority opinion that caused such turmoil in the bureau, but a concurring opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito. Alito, whose opinion was joined by Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan, agreed with the Court's conclusion in the case but wrote separately because his legal reasoning differed from the majority.

    Alito focused not on the attachment of the device, but the fact that law enforcement monitored Jones for about a month. Alito said "the use of longer-term GPS monitoring in investigations of most offenses impinges on expectations of privacy." He also suggested that Scalia's reliance on laws of trespass, will "provide no protection" for surveillance accomplished without committing a trespass.

    "For example," Alito wrote, "suppose that the officers in the present case had followed respondent by surreptitiously activating a stolen vehicle detection system that came with the car when it was purchased?"

    In his talk at a University of San Francisco Law Review Symposium, Weissmann suggested that Alito's concurrence means that several members of the court are concerned with long-term surveillance by technologies beyond GPS systems and that the FBI needs new guidance in order to ensure that evidence does not get thrown out.

    "I just can't stress enough," Weissmann said, "what a sea change that is perceived to be within the department."

    He said that after agents were told to turn off the devices, his office had to issue guidance on how some of the devices that had been used without a warrant could actually be retrieved. "We had to come up with guidance about you could locate [the devices] without violating the law," Weissmann said. "It wasn't obvious that you could turn it back on to locate it because now you needed probable cause or reasonable suspicion to do that."

    Weissmann said the FBI is working on two memos for agents in the field. One seeks to give guidance about using GPS devices. A second one targets other technologies beyond the GPS, because, Weissmann said, "there is no reason to think this is just going to end with GPS."

    "I think the court did not wrestle with the problems their decision creates," Weissmann said. "Usually the court tends to be more careful about cabining its decisions" and offering useful guidance. But in the Jones opinion, he said, the court didn't offer much clarity or any bright line rules that would have been helpful to law enforcement.

    "Guidance which consist of 'two days might be good, 30 days is too long' is not very helpful," Weissmann said.

    Catherine Crump, and attorney with the ACLU, welcomed the court's ruling as a first step toward preserving privacy rights.

    "Alito's concurrence concerned the FBI because if tracking someone's movements violates their privacy, that should be true no matter what technology the FBI uses," says Crump. "The FBI now needs to give guidance to agents in the field, and the Alito decision raises serious questions about the constitutionality of other ways of tracking suspects."

    As for Antoine Jones, the man whose conviction was thrown out because of the ruling, the government has announced that it wants to retry Jones without using evidence obtained from the GPS device. The trial is expected to start in May.

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      This falls under the catagory of "this will never effect 99.99999% of the DFWM board members, but 93.0498% will still bitch about it."
      Last edited by 03trubluGT; 03-07-2012, 03:40 PM.

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      • #4
        LOL at them having to retrieve them without letting people know they were spying on them unlawfully!
        Originally posted by Nash B.
        Damn, man. Sorry to hear that. If it'll cheer you up, Geor swallows. And even if it doesn't cheer you up, it cheers him up.

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        • #5
          What kind of an idiot would think this is acceptable without a warrant?
          Originally posted by racrguy
          What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
          Originally posted by racrguy
          Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
            This falls under the catagory of "this will never effect 99.99999% of the DFWM board members, but 93.0498% will still bitch about it."

            And that is exactly how it should be.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
              And that is exactly how it should be.
              Right, we still have to keep the LEOs in check.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                This falls under the catagory of "this will never effect 99.99999% of the DFWM board members, but 93.0498% will still bitch about it."
                I don't think LEO's constitute 6.9602% of forum members
                http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/...iversal-truth/

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                  What kind of an idiot would think this is acceptable without a warrant?
                  It's been common practice for some time. This article focuses on the FBI but many local and state agencies have used these trackers. The gps trackers are mostly used to locate subjects flashing their high beams to warn others of police ahead?
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                    And that is exactly how it should be.
                    Yes, we should all worry about things that don't effect us.

                    Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                    Right, we still have to keep the LEOs in check.
                    You're doing a bang up job. Keep up the good work.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cooter View Post
                      I don't think LEO's constitute 6.9602% of forum members
                      No, it is much smaller than that, but we do have LEO supporters, and those that are just plain apathetic.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                        Yes, we should all worry about things that don't effect us.
                        Yes, OF FUCKING COURSE WE SHOULD. Such as people that don't own guns "should worry about" the right to bear arms.

                        It's a simple matter of rights. Believe it or not, people that you suspect of a crime do have them.
                        When the government pays, the government controls.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by cooter View Post
                          i don't think leo's constitute 6.9602% of forum members
                          6.9502%
                          Originally posted by davbrucas
                          I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

                          Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

                          You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                            Yes, we should all worry about things that don't effect us.
                            Are you fucking serious??!!!??!

                            So your ok with rights getting taken away as long as they dont currently apply to you? People like you are the reason why the constitution is getting torn to pieces.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                              Yes, we should all worry about things that don't effect us.
                              What a great attitude to have.
                              Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                              HOORAY ME and FUCK YOU!

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