LEO guys, serious question

[bcoop]

I didn't call you a name. Name calling is something like me calling you a moron. I said you're ignorant. Ignorance can be fixed through education. Yes, a pat down/metal detector is a violation of rights, no matter where it is. They are all Unconstitutional. I don't need some government agency to keep me safe, anywhere. I can take care of myself and my family. Just like I don't need someone telling me what's best for me.

[Forever_frost]

In a nutshell the Fed Govt has granted the TSA to do patdowns/xray/wand etc and your rights aren't being violated when they do this in the performance of their duties. There will always be the select few who abuse authority in ANY sector of enforcement.

Actually, I'm going to disagree here. The 4th amendment is very clear. The only reason they have the ability to search you at the airport is when you buy your ticket you agree to being searched and if you don't want to be searched, you are free not to fly. The same doesn't apply to roadways. Even state troopers are tied when it comes to search abilities by the 4th amendment. From what I understand, and I'm waiting for Matt or one of the other LEOs here to respond is this: They have no power to search anything on the roads.

I would like to know if I get stopped by one if I can just sit there and look at them dumbly while contemplating what those voices I hear are really saying

[Treasure Chest]

I am going through those checkpoints with my wife and son, it is a good feeling to know that the people in front of/behind me are getting checked as well. This is a necessary evil for the times we live in. As usual, if you don't like it then don't fly. I want people checked for box cutters and shoe bombs.

You guys sound like you are all carrying burning torches and have not a clue about the law or the legal authority granted to the TSA by the FEDERAL government.

This is such a joke. Robert and I opted out of the X-ray line and requested a pat down when we left Las Vegas last weekend. You would seriously think that we were war criminals.

As soon as the words, 'opt for a pat down' hit their ears, there was commotion and yelling for additional agents. FOUR agents were called in to remove our bags, and two agents for each of us were called to escort us to the pat down area after we were run through the metal detectors.

One of the agents pointed to the area and said we would need to go over there, so I start walking. I was grabbed by the arm and told that I had to stay between the agents until we got there. She walked slowly, interrogating me the entire way, and her complete demeanor changed when I answered that I wasn't chosen for additional screening, I opted out of the body scan-- Where had I been? Why was I in town? What was the name of the expo? What company did I work for? What did we do? Who was I traveling with? What is my address? When was I born? What airline were my tickets for? What flights was I taking? Did I have a layover? Was Dallas my final destination? How long of a drive is Longview from Dallas? Why wouldn't I fly into Longview rather than driving from Dallas?

Then came the pat down. THAT was a joke. I could have been hiding anything, for all she could have felt, using the backs of her hands to sweep between my breasts and under my padded bra.

After she was satisfied that I wasn't carrying a cupcake in a jar or a bottle of water that wasn't purchased at an overpriced store by my gate, she swabbed her glove for explosives and let us go.

Without an agent near us or paying any attention to us, we put our shoes on next to a box of confiscated pocket knives, and went on our merry way.

Ironically, no one said shit about the ridiculously sharp tweezers in my laptop case that could do more damage than a box cutter.


Here's a lovely picture of them stabbed into my wood armoire, next to a Dr Pepper can, for reference.

[talisman]

I love refusing to go through those xray machines. They just look at you like it is so inconceivable that you dare refuse. "We've got an opt out!!!!!!" Most of the agents have actually been pretty decent that have patted me down, but I'm going to run into a one that is a prick one of these days and he isn't going to like it.

[Forever_frost]

Fortunately when I fly, I call the TSA and have someone meet me at the curb. They take my luggage, check it for me and walk me through security. It's actually kind of nice, especially when I fly internationally. Bonus walking past everyone in line.

[helosailor]

This is such a joke. Robert and I opted out of the X-ray line and requested a pat down when we left Las Vegas last weekend. You would seriously think that we were war criminals.

As soon as the words, 'opt for a pat down' hit their ears, there was commotion and yelling for additional agents. FOUR agents were called in to remove our bags, and two agents for each of us were called to escort us to the pat down area after we were run through the metal detectors.

One of the agents pointed to the area and said we would need to go over there, so I start walking. I was grabbed by the arm and told that I had to stay between the agents until we got there. She walked slowly, interrogating me the entire way, and her complete demeanor changed when I answered that I wasn't chosen for additional screening, I opted out of the body scan-- Where had I been? Why was I in town? What was the name of the expo? What company did I work for? What did we do? Who was I traveling with? What is my address? When was I born? What airline were my tickets for? What flights was I taking? Did I have a layover? Was Dallas my final destination? How long of a drive is Longview from Dallas? Why wouldn't I fly into Longview rather than driving from Dallas?

Then came the pat down. THAT was a joke. I could have been hiding anything, for all she could have felt, using the backs of her hands to sweep between my breasts and under my padded bra...

[Treasure Chest]

Hey, when I fly, I like to wear boobie armor. I don't want any skeevy jackhole with a GED man handling the goods.

[Forever_frost]

She wears stuff like this

[Treasure Chest]

She wears stuff like this

I wish! They used to be real dickheads about the 'additional screening' pat downs. When they first started, they weren't using the backs of their hands. They would use their palms and fingers and would act like they had never heard of things like nipple piercings. I've had more than one pat down where I had to explain my piercings in detail and was treated like a terrorist while some chick in a burka walked by without question. They didn't want to profile anyone. @@

[Forever_frost]

I wish! They used to be real dickheads about the 'additional screening' pat downs. When they first started, they weren't using the backs of their hands. They would use their palms and fingers and would act like they had never heard of things like nipple piercings. I've had more than one pat down where I had to explain my piercings in detail and was treated like a terrorist while some chick in a burka walked by without question. They didn't want to profile anyone. @@

It's already been shown that they pat down anyone who is attractive with a nice rack. They ran my wife through everything they could think of when she came in from NZ. She has E's with neon pink hair. Yeah...a lot of attention

[Alex]

I love refusing to go through those xray machines. They just look at you like it is so inconceivable that you dare refuse. "We've got an opt out!!!!!!" Most of the agents have actually been pretty decent that have patted me down, but I'm going to run into a one that is a prick one of these days and he isn't going to like it.

We have the right to refuse to go thru the metal detector?

[talisman]

We have the right to refuse to go thru the metal detector?

xray machines, not the metal detector.

[Alex]

xray machines, not the metal detector.

So I don't have to put all my shit on the belt and have it go thru the xrays machine?

[YALE]

So I don't have to put all my shit on the belt and have it go thru the xrays machine?

Yes, you do. The option is to not be screened by the full-body scanners.

[jefehbk]

FTTSA

as long as the TSA is in existence, I will never step foot onto another plane.

...as for the original post about TSA being on the roadways I thought of this as something that would happen.