Colorado student quits high school choir over Islamic song praising 'Allah'

[The King]

He said "recognizing" sharia law, not codifying or enforcing it on all citizens.

He said "entire cities are recognizing sharia law". "Entire cities" include the entire citizenry thereof, so then name one U.S. city where the entire population recognizes sharia law. Simply recognizing sharia law, i.e. acknowledging its existence, means nothing anyway unless it is enforceable, which in the U.S. it is not.

[hotrod66stang]

I'm heading out the door, but I'll find the articles later. For examples that I remember off the top of my head, you should google Oklahoma's ban on Sharia Law and how it was overturned. A judge is saying it's religious freedom. And then google Creeping Sharia, or something like that. There's a lot of good info out there.

Yay for honor killings and stoning rape victims to death! Huh?

[Forever_frost]

He said "entire cities are recognizing sharia law". "Entire cities" include the entire citizenry thereof, so then name one U.S. city where the entire population recognizes sharia law. Simply recognizing sharia law, i.e. acknowledging its existence, means nothing anyway unless it is enforceable, which in the U.S. it is not.

I can think of one right off the top of my head and have videos to back it up. Look up the Islamiziation of Detroit. A preacher was arrested for standing on a street corner talking about Christ while a Muslim fair was going on but you say one word about them doing the same thing? Bigoted, racist, Islamophobe.

[The King]

That's why the separation of church and state in America is such a good thing. Now in Islamic Republics, where bitter old mullahs and despots hiding behind Islam govern with draconian rule over the masses, such separation does not exist and sharia can be bent to whatever extremes those leaders so choose. In America however, sharia law can never become the law of the land unless our Constitution itself is abolished, and if that were to happen we would have much, much worse problems to deal with.

[The King]

I can think of one right off the top of my head and have videos to back it up. Look up the Islamiziation of Detroit. A preacher was arrested for standing on a street corner talking about Christ while a Muslim fair was going on but you say one word about them doing the same thing? Bigoted, racist, Islamophobe.

What was he charged with, and was said charge formally identified as a violation of sharia law as being the reason for his arrest?

[Forever_frost]

What was he charged with, and was said charge formally identified as a violation of sharia law as being the reason for his arrest?

On June 18, four Christians were arrested for breach of peace at the Arab International Festival in Dearborn, Michigan. The group's videos show them engaging in reasoned debate with Muslims or merely roaming around, but one festival volunteer accused them of harassment, making him feel "nervous." According to the Detroit Free Press, "Police said the missionaries were arrested because they failed to obey police commands. Officers maintain the group's actions were a public safety issue because they caused a large number of people to gather in a small place." The trial is now in progress.

On July 3, two evangelicals in front of Philadelphia's Masjid Al-Jamia were arrested by University of Pennsylvania police officers for disorderly conduct and obstruction of a highway. Michael Marcavage says that a bicycle cop demanded that they cease preaching there. When backup arrived, Marcavage started to film. The Daily Pennsylvanian recounts: "He claimed that Officer Nicole Michel assaulted him and forcibly shut off his camera. Marcavage called 911 because 'the officer was out of control,' and began filming once more, at which point the police confiscated the device." He insists that they intentionally destroyed his footage. The trial is scheduled for November.

On August 30, Mark Holick was outside the Islamic Society of Wichita, Kansas, distributing "packets that included the Gospel of John and the Book of Romans in English and Arabic, [and] a DVD with testimonies of former Islamists who have come to the Lord," when police allegedly ordered him and a dozen others to move away from the building. He was then arrested for "loitering and failing to disperse." Holick wants the charges dropped.

[Forever_frost]

I've got a lot more where that came from. Videos, reports. What would you like?

[The King]

Nothing you posted references anything other than municipal (as in secular) ordinances already on the books. Failure to obey police commands, loitering, and failure to disperse are violations of law in virtually every U.S. city, and those violations have nothing to do with sharia law. Violations of those same ordinances were in fact used to disperse the Occupy protesters in many cities, which again has nothing to do with sharia law. I personally support the evangelicals argument in this matter, and they will have their day in court as they should. What you are avoiding in your posts however is how sharia law played any part in this mess.

[Forever_frost]

How they are enforced and on whom they are enforced has to do with Sharia law.

[The King]

How they are enforced and on whom they are enforced has to do with Sharia law.

No, it has to do with municipal law. Municipal law enacted by secular governments.

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On June 18, four Christians were arrested for breach of peace at the Arab International Festival in Dearborn, Michigan. The group's videos show them engaging in reasoned debate with Muslims or merely roaming around, but one festival volunteer accused them of harassment, making him feel "nervous." According to the Detroit Free Press, "Police said the missionaries were arrested because they failed to obey police commands. Officers maintain the group's actions were a public safety issue because they caused a large number of people to gather in a small place." The trial is now in progress.

On July 3, two evangelicals in front of Philadelphia's Masjid Al-Jamia were arrested by University of Pennsylvania police officers for disorderly conduct and obstruction of a highway. Michael Marcavage says that a bicycle cop demanded that they cease preaching there. When backup arrived, Marcavage started to film. The Daily Pennsylvanian recounts: "He claimed that Officer Nicole Michel assaulted him and forcibly shut off his camera. Marcavage called 911 because 'the officer was out of control,' and began filming once more, at which point the police confiscated the device." He insists that they intentionally destroyed his footage. The trial is scheduled for November.

On August 30, Mark Holick was outside the Islamic Society of Wichita, Kansas, distributing "packets that included the Gospel of John and the Book of Romans in English and Arabic, [and] a DVD with testimonies of former Islamists who have come to the Lord," when police allegedly ordered him and a dozen others to move away from the building. He was then arrested for "loitering and failing to disperse." Holick wants the charges dropped.

Frost you are missing the boat on this one. Given what you posted none of that has to do with Sharia Law. Like King said they are enforcing laws already on the books. Because they happened to be breaking those laws in or near Muslim facilities doesn't make that Sharia Law.

No person, religious or otherwise, is legally allowed to ignore police commands. All people, religious or otherwise, have that option, and then they can go to jail because of it.

I do remember one incident of a court allowing Sharia law to govern a contractual dispute between two Muslims (IIRC), but that is the only thing I have ever read that even comes close to supporting your claim, and even that falls short IMO.

[Forever_frost]

Frost you are missing the boat on this one. Given what you posted none of that has to do with Sharia Law. Like King said they are enforcing laws already on the books. Because they happened to be breaking those laws in or near Muslim facilities doesn't make that Sharia Law.

No person, religious or otherwise, is legally allowed to ignore police commands. All people, religious or otherwise, have that option, and then they can go to jail because of it.

I do remember one incident of a court allowing Sharia law to govern a contractual dispute between two Muslims (IIRC), but that is the only thing I have ever read that even comes close to supporting your claim, and even that falls short IMO.

Duly noted. I will get specific instances and get back to this. I'm still recovering after surgery so I'm not on my game yet. Out of respect, I'll let this one go until I am well enough to dig up better instances.

[The King]

No sweat frost and as always, thank you for your service.

Note that I find nations such as the current Islamic Republic of Iran and Afghanistan (under the Taliban) particularly disgusting, and they supply perfect examples of how Muslims can bring the revulsion of non-Muslims upon themselves.

[hotrod66stang]

I agree, that's the same as "protesting without proper permit" type stuff. The stuff I was talking about isn't anything crazy like anti-Christian, it was just a town that refused to charge a man for a crime because he acted under Sharia Law. I'm not a lawyer (but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night), but seeing as how all law is set by precedent, I wouldn't want local/state/federal government recognizing ANY aspect of Sharia Law. What I've read on the matter is that for divorces and such, Muslims have to be granted permission by some kind of panel of their peers (other Muslims) and gain permission to re-marry. I don't care too much about that, since it sounds like they want you to do counseling and such first, but it just gets more convoluted from there. Blah, I know what I want to say, but it's going to take entirely too long to type it all out.

I did a quick google and didn't see the other news stories, I'll have to dig for it later. Maybe go through my browser history. Ugh.