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  • #31
    Originally posted by krazy kris View Post
    ethanol is very bad for small engines and boats, something about the makeup of the ethanol/gasoline breaks down pretty quick and separates and eats up fuel lines and seals like crazy
    Ethanol is what makes our gas "oxygenated"... as in it releases more CO2 and O2 when it burns than CO and NOx.

    That is the theory.

    The amount of ethanol in the fuel is the "E" rating... as in E15 is 15% alcohol and E85 is 85% alcohol.
    The EPA requires that ALL gas stations in counties with a certain air quality or worse must only sell gasoline containing a minimum of 15% ethanol.

    The actual science is that adding ethanol to the gas makes it burn slower, colder and reduces octane.

    Alcohol (Ethanol in this case) is also extremely hygroscopic - meaning it readily absorbs water from the air. That water absorbs into the gas and causes such wonderful stuff as rust and scale in metal gas tanks and in metal fuel lines.

    NO major car manufacturer actually endorses ethanol in gasoline.
    As a matter of fact, almost all European and Japanese manufacturers have actually written protest letters to the EPA, documenting the damage that ethanol does to their cars and showing that oxygenated fuels lower engine efficiency, raise emissions and cause more pollution than they cure.

    Adding alcohol to fuel destroys the rubber seals of the fuel tank, fuel injectors and even engine gaskets. Alcohol easily dissolves motor oil, which means that oxygenated fuels remove the protective residual oil coating on cylinder walls when the engine is running.
    Simply running E15 fuel will add approximately $5000 to the average cost of ownership of any car on the road today (that is based on a 10 year average life expectancy.)

    A few, like Ford and GM have "flex fuel" vehicles which have fuel systems designed to handle the corrosive nature of ethanol.

    The latest studies show that adding ethanol to fuel reduces the expected life of the engine by an average of 60K miles for E15 and over 100K for E85.

    Aint our government wonderful!!!

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    • #32
      if you read my original post you will see that I said all the guys running turbo/blower E85 tunes will not like this

      switching to E85 on a N/A car to gain 20hp imo would be a waste of money

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      • #33
        Hum makes me want to pay the extra 10c a gallon to buy ethonal free fuel. I wonder if that's why my bronco fuel tank was a bit rusty on the inside...

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Randy View Post
          The EPA requires that ALL gas stations in counties with a certain air quality or worse must only sell gasoline containing a minimum of 15% ethanol.
          Wasn't the mandate for the ethanol increase to 15% rejected?

          As of November 7, 2011, E15 is not registered with EPA and is therefore not legal for distribution or sale as a transportation fuel.


          Stevo
          Originally posted by SSMAN
          ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Trip McNeely View Post
            Oh well. I get free gas.
            Who you work for? I need to find a job like that....

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            • #36
              Gas jumped six cents over night.
              2005 M3 Vert with TSW rims
              2001 Dodge Dakota R/T C/H/I, gears, exhaust, and 125 shot of nos
              2012 Ford Edge

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              • #37
                Originally posted by 89FivePointOh View Post
                Who you work for? I need to find a job like that....
                Find a sales job in the oil and gas industry that provides a company vehicle and a gas card.

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                • #38
                  We're running out of corn!!!!!!!!!
                  "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Sgt Beavis View Post
                    Everything you said there is true. It will just take a little time to get the marketing agreements in place and start shipping ethanol to US refineries for mixing with gasoline.

                    I wonder if they have enough tankers that can resist the corrosivness of ethanol for shipping?
                    The real bitch about transporting ethanol is that it can't be pipe-lined. That means (as you alluded to) that every damn drop has to be trucked in by tanker. Ironic, no? Burning diesel fuel in a truck used to transport ethanol?

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                    • #40
                      Gas is up twenty cents at my quiktrip. Fucking aye

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Damnittsteve View Post
                        Gas is up twenty cents at my quiktrip. Fucking aye
                        If iran would STFU it would go down! IMO nobody is holding onto 104$ oil for very long. Watch it fall

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                          The real bitch about transporting ethanol is that it can't be pipe-lined. That means (as you alluded to) that every damn drop has to be trucked in by tanker. Ironic, no? Burning diesel fuel in a truck used to transport ethanol?
                          tru dat my friend.. tru dat...

                          The only real way to fix this is to kill the ethanol mandate.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by QIK46 View Post
                            If iran would STFU it would go down!
                            That's what I figured was the latest gas gouge culprit.

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                            • #44
                              FML! It jumped from $3.08 to $3.30 just between 11:30am to 6:30pm in Mesquite.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Frank View Post
                                FML! It jumped from $3.08 to $3.30 just between 11:30am to 6:30pm in Mesquite.
                                I got lucky and Costco in Southlake still had it for $3.09

                                Called the wife (who passes right by there on 114) and told her to meet me there for gas. Then we got some cheap food there.

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