L.E.O's. What's up with this , opinions

[OMEGA DOOM]

This thread is as old as that joke.
Jimbo, I wasn't there so I have no idea. Doesn't friendly fire happen in the military also? Sucks but it happens.

yea true until it happens to you or your family!

[Osiris]

yea true until it happens to you or your family!

Agreed.

What you guys are missing out on are the specific details as to what caused the officer to pull the trigger in each of these scenarios. It's a terrible thing, and something I hope I am never involved in.

[OMEGA DOOM]

Agreed.

What you guys are missing out on are the specific details as to what caused the officer to pull the trigger in each of these scenarios. It's a terrible thing, and something I hope I am never involved in.

true brotha not trying to bust your balls man just pointing out that officers are just like everybody else and yea shit happens even if you are trained! its just GODs will and death sux regardless !!!

[svauto-erotic855]

I know a guy who is an investigator with the Manhattan DAs office and asked him why his PD has a habit of shooting off duty friendly's. He told me that citizen gun ownership is so rare that officers are not used to seeing guns not being held by people in uniform. Having a gun w/o being in your blues makes you a bad guy; bad guys w/guns get shot.

[78X]

I know a guy who is an investigator with the Manhattan DAs office and asked him why his PD has a habit of shooting off duty friendly's. He told me that citizen gun ownership is so rare that officers are not used to seeing guns not being held by people in uniform. Having a gun w/o being in your blues makes you a bad guy; bad guys w/guns get shot.

Ie: low iq officers similar to Carrollton pd

[Jimbo]

This thread is as old as that joke.
Jimbo, I wasn't there so I have no idea. Doesn't friendly fire happen in the military also? Sucks but it happens.

I wasn't implying that you knew what happened in that situation. It was more of an inquiry of why this did not happen in your particular situation.

Yes friendly fire does happen in the military. This story is not about the military and they are not in a war zone.

Agreed.

What you guys are missing out on are the specific details as to what caused the officer to pull the trigger in each of these scenarios. It's a terrible thing, and something I hope I am never involved in.

That was exactly my point, but you sure did make it sound more like, "we need to hear the other side of the story".

[svauto-erotic855]

Ie: low iq officers similar to Carrollton pd

Are you making a reference to a particular Carrollton officer? I know a few of them and have a few more of them as clients; none of them would I consider to be stupid.

[Osiris]

He dropped the gun and proned out at my command and didn't point his weapon at another person or officer.

I wasn't implying that you knew what happened in that situation. It was more of an inquiry of why this did not happen in your particular situation.

Yes friendly fire does happen in the military. This story is not about the military and they are not in a war zone.

That was exactly my point, but you sure did make it sound more like, "we need to hear the other side of the story".

No doubt about it, nobody other than the investigators there know what happened. I can speculate that the shooting officers felt the threat was imminent enough to pull the trigger.

[Osiris]

Are you making a reference to a particular Carrollton officer? I know a few of them and have a few more of them as clients; none of them would I consider to be stupid.

I also know on a personal level most of the Carrollton PD. Good group of officers, IMHO.

[Jimbo]

He dropped the gun and proned out at my command and didn't point his weapon at another person or officer.



No doubt about it, nobody other than the investigators there know what happened. I can speculate that the shooting officers felt the threat was imminent enough to pull the trigger.

Agreed, something went wrong. I can't help but question if svo855's point is a large factor in these cases.

[Torinoman]

Aren't you supposed to know a situation before firing your weapon? I have never had any LEO training. But, I wouldn't shoot someone if I didn't know the situation. In this day and age where a lot of people carry and have the right to, I thought LEO's were trained to shoot as a last choice.

Something about this statement rubs me so raw.American citizens have always had these rights, they are not recent accomplishments.

[Big A]

No doubt about it, nobody other than the investigators there know what happened. I can speculate that the shooting officers felt the threat was imminent enough to pull the trigger.

Nobody other than the shooting officer, witnesses, and the deceased knows what happened. The investigators are there to put the pieces together, and hopefully come to the same conclusion.

I totally agree that more details are needed, the information in the OP is very broad, and says nothing other than that an on-duty officer shot an off-duty officer. There is no specific when, where, or why, in any of the cases cited.

Sensationalized media slanted to induce a specific response/opinion at it's finest.

[03trubluGT]

I would like to add to this that Hollywood has ruined perception on what to do in armed encounters.

They would have people believe that cops carry on conversations with bad guys while having weapons drawn on each other.

I was taught in the Marines that if you see an enemy with a weapon, you kill them. They don't have to be pointing it at you.

Almost the same goes with law enforcement. If the bad guy has a weapon and it's not pointed at you, loud verbal commands are made to drop the weapon. If the muzzle starts to come your way, you fire.

There is no verbal discourse while a gun is pointed at me. My weapon will be speaking for me.