just saw a cop with a headlight out.

[Slowhand]

Because a cop's word against a citizen's word has never worked out inequitably for the citizen...

[kingjason]

At least we have recompense against fedex and ups. Plus, if they screw up people's lives aren't adversly affected.

What if they are delivering an organ, or a mulitmillion dollar document?

[03trubluGT]

Because a cop's word against a citizen's word has never worked out inequitably for the citizen...

I've NEVER said it was right to lie, and that covers BOTH sides.

[racrguy]

What if they are delivering an organ, or a mulitmillion dollar document?

AFAIK organs aren't shipped via a standard parcel service, and documents can be reprinted and sent again, costing nothing but time. And if the deal is large enough, I'd imagine that they are signed in person with both parties present.

I've NEVER said it was right to lie, and that covers BOTH sides.

That's all well and good, but citizens word isn't held in as high esteem as a LEO's is. If a citizen makes a claim then they have to prove what they say is true, whereas LEO's generally get a free pass on that.

[exlude]

The exemptions allow officers to work contrary with existing regulations to perform duties. How else would it be legal for officers to speed to catch speeders, run red lights in a pursuit, or block traffic on the freeway for an accident? Try doing these things in a personal vehicle and there will be consequences. I've seen posts about you guys bitching about police cars with limo tint, when we can't have that on our personal cars. How do you think the squad cars get inspected with limo tint? Becuase there is an exemption.

I'm not saying that it's allright to drive around with one headlight, because it isn't. That car should be deadlined and fixed. Same with any other light on the car. If the police are going to cite people for equipment, then theirs should work too.

Tint exemptions and headlights are not the same.

[Tx Redneck]

A scrap metal dumpster truck flipped over on the ramp. My rookie and I got the call at 0230hrs. When we left at 0745hrs they were still cleaning up. It sucked but, I got almost 2hrs of overtime though.

I'm dadgum lucky that I've never ended up like this. I carried a 6x20 container full of steel coils on a bobtail from Ryan Rd in Dallas to Forest Ln in Garland, that should have tipped over. Mind you, I had the presence of mind to stay in the RH lane the whole way as a preventative measure should the truck have laid down. The truck(KW W900B) was converted from a OTR rig to a roll-off but they kept the 8 bag rear suspension rather than putting a std spring setup under it.

I measured the distance from the rear bumper to the ground when I made it back to the yard and almost shat bricks. The driver side had 27 1/2" bumper to ground and the passenger side had 9 1/2". The container was so heavy(coiled 3/16&1/4 steel leftovers from square tube manufacturing) that it had to be loaded via overhead crane and by the time it was placed on the truck, the crane couldn't pick it back up due to being wedged between the runners of the bed.

If memory serves me, I crossed the scales @ 78k and some change on three axles. It was so heavy that we had to slowly lower the container on the truck to give the airbags time to inflate enough to keep from being pinched between their mounts.

[kingjason]

AFAIK organs aren't shipped via a standard parcel service, and documents can be reprinted and sent again, costing nothing but time. And if the deal is large enough, I'd imagine that they are signed in person with both parties present.



That's all well and good, but citizens word isn't held in as high esteem as a LEO's is. If a citizen makes a claim then they have to prove what they say is true, whereas LEO's generally get a free pass on that.

We have a Fed Ex hub in my little city. The only reason I though of it was a guy came zooming in with an organ one day while I was standing there.

http://www.fedex.com/us/services/customcritical/

[LANTIRN]

I do blame fed ex and UPS if they loose my package. I also blame the federal government when they pass legislation aimed at taking away rights. I blame bad parents when I see kids stealing shit or throwing tantrums in walmart. I blame cops for not knowing the law or thinking they are above it. I will also get blamed for doing my job wrong; difference is if I do my job wrong the company looses money; if a cop does his job wrong it forever fucks up someone's life. I know the rules and regulations regarding my job, my question is, why the fuck can't cops learn the laws since they all pertain to their job? And don't give me the "there are too many laws for one officer to know them all" line, because that sure as fuck isn't an excuse if I break a law I don't know about. Fuck, even in this thread the cops on here are coming off arrogant, and I am trying fucking hard to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I would like to ask a very serious question to all board law enforcement; serious question and I, as well as others on here, would really like to hear a serious answer.

Why is it that if I commit a crime, but am not aware of the law, an officer will deem it as "no excuse" and give me a ticket / arrest me, yet if the same officer wrongfully arrests, gives a ticket, or harasses someone but the officer is wrong about the law, it is OK? Time and time again we hear officers saying ignorance is not an excuse, but the they will turn around and say "no officer can know all the laws, sometimes mistakes happen". Why is there a double standard? I don't think I have ever met an officer, where after a long conversation this was not the case; it is like they teach that double standard to you in the academy. Seriously, what gives you the OK to not know the laws but you expect us to?

[kingjason]

I do blame fed ex and UPS if they loose my package. I also blame the federal government when they pass legislation aimed at taking away rights. I blame bad parents when I see kids stealing shit or throwing tantrums in walmart. I blame cops for not knowing the law or thinking they are above it. I will also get blamed for doing my job wrong; difference is if I do my job wrong the company looses money; if a cop does his job wrong it forever fucks up someone's life. I know the rules and regulations regarding my job, my question is, why the fuck can't cops learn the laws since they all pertain to their job? And don't give me the "there are too many laws for one officer to know them all" line, because that sure as fuck isn't an excuse if I break a law I don't know about. Fuck, even in this thread the cops on here are coming off arrogant, and I am trying fucking hard to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I would like to ask a very serious question to all board law enforcement; serious question and I, as well as others on here, would really like to hear a serious answer.

Why is it that if I commit a crime, but am not aware of the law, an officer will deem it as "no excuse" and give me a ticket / arrest me, yet if the same officer wrongfully arrests, gives a ticket, or harasses someone but the officer is wrong about the law, it is OK? Time and time again we hear officers saying ignorance is not an excuse, but the they will turn around and say "no officer can know all the laws, sometimes mistakes happen". Why is there a double standard? I don't think I have ever met an officer, where after a long conversation this was not the case; it is like they teach that double standard to you in the academy. Seriously, what gives you the OK to not know the laws but you expect us to?

You are kinda vague in what you are asking. 99.9 percent of what I deal with on a daily basis is common sense stuff. Theft, criminal mischief, assault, and a smattering of traffic laws. If I do not know something I look it up. They change a large amount of laws every year and we have to go to a mandatory update class. If you do not know something you can look it up online also. The book is huge and the one they teach us out of is only a portion of it. If a person doesnt think its wrong to steal, snort a little coke, or beat their spouse with a bat then I am sorry they didnt look that up and verify. Basic vehicle equipment should also be common sense and is taught in driving school. Dont get me wrong there are some real special laws out there that have even shocked me before. You know you bring up a interesting point on one thing though. Maybe they should teach a couple of criminal justice classes in high school that go thru some of the finer points of the law. Just like going from state to state the laws are different and no one can be expected to know every law in the country. I would sure research if I had a question about something and was travelling though.

Oh and you were skimming. I said it would be like blaming Fed Ex if UPS lost your package.

[LANTIRN]

You are kinda vague in what you are asking. 99.9 percent of what I deal with on a daily basis is common sense stuff. Theft, criminal mischief, assault, and a smattering of traffic laws. If I do not know something I look it up. They change a large amount of laws every year and we have to go to a mandatory update class. If you do not know something you can look it up online also. The book is huge and the one they teach us out of is only a portion of it. If a person doesnt think its wrong to steal, snort a little coke, or beat their spouse with a bat then I am sorry they didnt look that up and verify. Basic vehicle equipment should also be common sense and is taught in driving school. Dont get me wrong there are some real special laws out there that have even shocked me before. You know you bring up a interesting point on one thing though. Maybe they should teach a couple of criminal justice classes in high school that go thru some of the finer points of the law. Just like going from state to state the laws are different and no one can be expected to know every law in the country. I would sure research if I had a question about something and was travelling though.

Oh and you were skimming. I said it would be like blaming Fed Ex if UPS lost your package.

The book is huge and the one they teach us out of is only a portion of it. They change a large amount of laws every year and we have to go to a mandatory update class.

This is precisely what I am talking about; it seems like the majority of cops will use this as an excuse for not knowing a law but expect joe citizen to know and be up on every new piece of legislation.

Maybe they should teach a couple of criminal justice classes in high school that go thru some of the finer points of the law.

Excellent idea.

I would sure research if I had a question about something and was travelling though.

And I do; but most of what I am talking about is not concerning interstate travel; it is usually within Texas with Texas officers saying "ignorance of the law is no excuse, except if you are a cop making an arrest". Maybe not those exact words but that is how a lot of them come across.