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  • #16
    Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
    And the best part? A highway was within an hours walk. He was so ill prepared he didn't even have a damn map.
    Noooooo shit. Not having a map is basically suicide. He could have sved himself a dozen times over if he just knew where he was.





    My intent here is not to criticize the young man who died, although it certainly would be easy. If somebody has a dream to go live off the land that is their choice, their life. I would never criticize someone for living their dreams. It was just one choice he had made that I wish could have been different. No one adventure is so great that you should miss a lifetime of more adventures. This was the case for Chris McCandless.

    In the book, Into The Wild, Krakauer says that "McCandless yearned to wander in uncharted country, to find a blank spot on the map". But there are no blank spots on the map so "with his idiosyncratic logic, he came up with an elegant solution to this dilemma: He simply got rid of the map." Chris hiked around 15 miles up an old road called the Stampede Trail. He found an old abandoned bus and called it home.

    After a few months in the area surviving off hunting and forging, he had finished his dream of the Alaska experience. When it was time to go back to civilization, he reached the Teklanika River he crossed a few months before but found a raging torrent with the late spring snowmelt. Chris thought it was impossible to cross back over the river (which it was at that particular spot). So he went back to the old bus he had been living in. He was healthy at this point and had already explored much of the valley and even a few mountain tops in the area. He would have to wait to get over the river....yet, he was already done with this experience. He weighed his options as few, he thought he had no options. This couldn't be further from the truth.

    Although he spent months in the location without seeing another person, it is hardly a major wilderness when compared to most of Alaska. Not far were roads and resources. Just to the east is the George Parks Highway, the main road between Anchorage and Fairbanks. Alaska has few highways but this is one of them. Not far upstream to the south were the crowds of Denali National Park and the park shuttle system full of tourists, every day. The road crosses the same river on a big bridge but well out of his view, a day or two walk away. He had to want to get on with the next big adventure but just didn't know that route option was there. Since he came prepared to hike a few hundred miles, the distance to the bridge is quite insignificant.

    Even worse, if he had a topographical map, it would have showed the USGS gauging station just one half mile down stream. At that location is a one inch thick cable spanning across the river. It even turns out the passenger basket was anchored to his side which would have been a fun way to cross for him.

    Basically, if he had a map he would have quickly realized he had two very good options instead of going back to the place he didn't really want to go. It was because he went back that after several more weeks, the hunting dried up and he relied on eating more plants and nuts. Unfortunately, he misidentified some and slowly poisoned himself to death. The map is an essential piece of gear. I have been on thousands of trips. I can honestly say I've needed matches and my pocket knife on maybe one trip. You don't even have to have a compass most of the time. It is the map and knowing where you are at all times on a map is the key to avoiding problems in the wilderness. I can trace back the majority of search and rescues to no map or not knowing how to read a map. I've used the example of Chris McCandless during many lectures. His story is heartbreaking because his life was cut short at a very young age. I have no doubt, if he had a map he would have lived to experience his next great adventure.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
      Noooooo shit. Not having a map is basically suicide. He could have sved himself a dozen times over if he just knew where he was.
      See, why does this say he poisoned himself? He didn't poison himself. He was an idiot.
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      • #18
        Sounds like he caught a starving squirrel to eat.

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        • #19
          Strych, thanks for the info on Dick Proenneke, bad ass videos. I really enjoyed that.
          DE OPPRESSO LIBER

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          • #20
            Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
            See, why does this say he poisoned himself? He didn't poison himself. He was an idiot.
            True.

            The poisoning started as speculation by Krakauer in the book, was put in the movie by Penn... caught on from there. But you're right, in the autopsy, food analysis, etc it was determined that he absolutely did not poison himself w/ bad berries or mold.


            As far back as 1997, Dr. Thomas Clausen—the biochemist at the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, who examined the wild potato plant (Hedysarum alpinum) for Jon Krakauer—concluded after exhaustive testing that no part of H. alpinum is toxic. Neither the roots nor the seeds. Accordingly, McCandless could not have poisoned himself...

            Likewise, Dr. Clausen’s analysis of the wild sweet pea (Hedysarum mackenzii)—given as the cause of Chris’s death in the Sean Penn film—has also turned up no toxic compounds, and there is not a single account in modern medical literature of anyone ever being poisoned by this species of plant...
            He died of his own dumbshittedness.


            Originally posted by HarrisonTX View Post
            Strych, thanks for the info on Dick Proenneke, bad ass videos. I really enjoyed that.
            Word.
            http://www.dickproenneke.com/ if you want to buy both movies in their entirety.

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            • #21
              And that map shows a Ranger cabin 5 miles from him, that's easily an hour walk.
              "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
              "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Strychnine View Post
                Truth.

                Knowledge can go a long way. See: Dick Proenneke

                The original Survivorman. He even videoed some of his stuff, and this was back in the 70s. The fucker built his own log cabin, made his own tools, etc and he did it all at age 50+.

                That's pretty cool, I'll have to check it out.

                Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
                The same mistake made by McCandless. You're in the Alaskan wilderness, where animals are over 1,000lbs, and distances are regularly 1,000 yards. The weapon both of these dead idiots chose? A .22LR. If I was heading out there, I'd have a .44 magnum revolver, a .300 mag bolt action, and an AR-10. All with optics.
                Reading the article he also had a shotgun. So a .22 LR and a shotgun, not necessarily a bad choice with the right ammo IMO. Still he was an idiot for not having prepared better and not knowing the area.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Jose View Post
                  That's pretty cool, I'll have to check it out.



                  Reading the article he also had a shotgun. So a .22 LR and a shotgun, not necessarily a bad choice with the right ammo IMO. Still he was an idiot for not having prepared better and not knowing the area.
                  Realistically a shotgun is as useless as a .22 out there. You can't take any big game and its range is ridiuclously limited given the necessities.
                  "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                  "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
                    Realistically a shotgun is as useless as a .22 out there. You can't take any big game and its range is ridiuclously limited given the necessities.
                    I doubt he was going to try and kill any big game for food anyway. That said, plenty of people using shotguns with slugs for medium to large game successfully.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Lone Sailor View Post
                      I doubt he was going to try and kill any big game for food anyway. That said, plenty of people using shotguns with slugs for medium to large game successfully.
                      That would require a rifled barrel, and slugs. I highly doubt he had either of those. Even still - large game in Alaska is going to be very far from you on average. Slugs have a very limited range in comparison. My guess is it was a 20 gauge with bird shot.
                      "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                      "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                      • #26
                        Really though, the whole point is that from the beginning he was not prepared at all to hunt.

                        If he were mentally prepared for the possible necessity of hunting he would not have thrown his shotgun ammo into the river. (not referenced in the posted article, but in the Wiki link)
                        Not believing he would need them, he prematurely disposed of boxes of shotgun shells in the river near his camp

                        He (McCunn) went out there with 1400 lbs of gear/supplies and was fully expecting to hop back on a bush plane in August.

                        If there were any thought of running out of food and needing to live off of the land he would have been hunting larger game long before the expected pickup in August and starting building stores of dried meat... so the gun wasn't for hunting, though he did manage to add some number of days to his life with it:

                        By mid-August it became obvious to McCunn that the bush pilot was not going to return for him. At this point he attempted to make his provisions last longer by shooting local game. He shot ducks, muskrats, and tried drying the meat of a caribou he observed die in the lake
                        And with his "wildlife experience" he should have been well aware that a .22LR is not "self defense" in the bush...

                        I wonder why he even bothered taking the guns.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
                          Realistically a shotgun is as useless as a .22 out there. You can't take any big game and its range is ridiuclously limited given the necessities.
                          I wouldn't say either were useless, a .22LR is perfect for small game like rabbit and squirrels. 12 gauge would be good for any "winged" game. I was simply thinking of the slugs for defensive purposed against bears and the like. For hunting with slugs wouldn't that be a simple barrel change? Again, wouldn't be my choice but would be usable I would think.

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                          • #28
                            A shotgun and a .22 are what I used to bring to explore the backwoods at my family's farm when I was 13yrs old. No way I am spending months alone in real wilderness with only those. Also, who in the hell tosses ammo in the river??!!

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Jose View Post
                              I wouldn't say either were useless, a .22LR is perfect for small game like rabbit and squirrels. 12 gauge would be good for any "winged" game. I was simply thinking of the slugs for defensive purposed against bears and the like. For hunting with slugs wouldn't that be a simple barrel change? Again, wouldn't be my choice but would be usable I would think.
                              Well, we're assuming he had a slug barrel, and slugs, which he didn't. Hell, it says he dumped all of his shotgun shells into the river early on (what a dumbass). But let's say he had slugs, and he had a rifled barrel. Max range ~150 maybe 200 yards if he was damn lucky. Still, pretty damn insufficient for the Alaskan wilderness, where most hunters are firing .375's 1,200 yards.
                              "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                              "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by 5.0_CJ View Post
                                Well, we're assuming he had a slug barrel, and slugs, which he didn't. Hell, it says he dumped all of his shotgun shells into the river early on (what a dumbass). But let's say he had slugs, and he had a rifled barrel. Max range ~150 maybe 200 yards if he was damn lucky. Still, pretty damn insufficient for the Alaskan wilderness, where most hunters are firing .375's 1,200 yards.
                                Was he hunting though? I know towards the end he was but was that his plan from the beginning?

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