Police get locksmiths to enter homes

[03trubluGT]

Nothing like an FTP thread to get those paranoid posters active.

[Taylor]

I doubt a cop would shoot for a warrant unless there was

A. a room full of cash
B. some sort of drug lab going on
C. children locked in a closet
D. some type of extreme fucked up shit etc....

I would be willing to bet if they saw the casual "bong" or a couple assault rifles on the kitchen table they would overlook it as they are intruding only to shut the gas off and potentially save the homeonwers life..

Yeah fucking right they would.

[stevo]

Nothing like an FTP thread to get those paranoid posters active.

Capt. Defend-A-Cop to the rescue!

Stevo

[Treasure Chest]

In bold is where people are having an issue. Not accessing the property to gain access to a meter or shut-off valve, but actually entering residences by picking locks on doors. As a plumber, I have never seen a meter or provider shut-off valve inside a residence since meter readers have to be able to access them monthly to take readings for billing. Maybe I am wrong about meters only being outside the residence, if so, someone can correct me.

Stevo

I actually googled and read National Grid's service agreement, and it states a clause for ENTERING a residence in emergencies. They're fully covered in this situation and are doing nothing outside of the terms of which their customers agreed.

I had a VERY similar clause in the lease agreement for my rental. For a non-emergency, I would give 24 hour notice. If it was an emergency, I would take steps to contact the tenant. If I couldn't make contact, I used my key and left notification that I entered the house. If they changed the locks without notification and did not provide a key, I used a locksmith, left notification, and sent them the bill. It was ALL covered under the contract they signed.

They're not picking random houses and just entering for shits and giggles. They are within their rights to enter these houses, based on a contract that the customers signed. I'm a staunch supporter of privacy and Constitutional rights, but you have no basis for crying, 'violation of rights,' this go around.

[Treasure Chest]

In bold is where people are having an issue. Not accessing the property to gain access to a meter or shut-off valve, but actually entering residences by picking locks on doors. As a plumber, I have never seen a meter or provider shut-off valve inside a residence since meter readers have to be able to access them monthly to take readings for billing. Maybe I am wrong about meters only being outside the residence, if so, someone can correct me.

Stevo

According to this, many historic homes in Rhode Island have gas meters in the basement. There was actually a movement to get waivers so their meters didn't have to be moved outside of the residence. http://www.wbna.org/index2.php?optio...id=0&no_html=1

[stevo]

I actually googled and read National Grid's service agreement, and it states a clause for ENTERING a residence in emergencies. They're fully covered in this situation and are doing nothing outside of the terms of which their customers agreed.

I had a VERY similar clause in the lease agreement for my rental. For a non-emergency, I would give 24 hour notice. If it was an emergency, I would take steps to contact the tenant. If I couldn't make contact, I used my key and left notification that I entered the house. If they changed the locks without notification and did not provide a key, I used a locksmith, left notification, and sent them the bill. It was ALL covered under the contract they signed.

They're not picking random houses and just entering for shits and giggles. They are within their rights to enter these houses, based on a contract that the customers signed. I'm a staunch supporter of privacy and Constitutional rights, but you have no basis for crying, 'violation of rights,' this go around.

Are you okay with them being able to use something found in the house while using this reason for entering to prosecute someone?

Also, you didn't see me crying 'violation of rights'.

According to this, many historic homes in Rhode Island have gas meters in the basement. There was actually a movement to get waivers so their meters didn't have to be moved outside of the residence. http://www.wbna.org/index2.php?optio...id=0&no_html=1

I stand corrected, but in my defense I have never been to Rhode Island.

Stevo

[mikec]

Fuck the gas people!

[Treasure Chest]

Are you okay with them being able to use something found in the house while using this reason for entering to prosecute someone?

Also, you didn't see me crying 'violation of rights'.



I stand corrected, but in my defense I have never been to Rhode Island.

Stevo

I'm no lawyer, but iirc anything from Government class, if they so much as attempted to bring charges based on anything they find, it would be inadmissible as evidence. That's not saying those persons wouldn't be marked for future scrutiny, though. It would suck, but they AGREED to the terms that the house could be entered at any time. And well, they should be a little smarter with their illegal vices, given the fact that they knowingly signed a statement agreeing to those terms!

The violation of rights statement was pointed to Frost. I can't multi-quote in tapatalk.

[03trubluGT]

Capt. Defend-A-Cop to the rescue!

Stevo

You never miss a chance there, do ya Steve? You sure read a mountain into those few words.


So, pray tell, what are the arrest and confiscation stats from this endeavor? Huh???

[mikec]

You never miss a chance there, do ya Steve? You sure read a mountain into those few words.


So, pray tell, what are the arrest and confiscation stats from this endeavor? Huh???

We should start a "Who is the most likely to get into an argument" thread.


stevo, 78x, and ssjunk are three of the biggest that spring to mind. Seems like no matter the topic, they're going to be at odds with someone within the first 20 odd posts...

[03trubluGT]

I read the posted article from the link, and the related articles from that website. I did not find one single mention of any arrests or contraband located arising from this situation.

It appears that the gas company does have legal standing to enter homes for the continuance of service.

Legally, the gas company can make entry and do whatever service related tasks they need. I don't know why the would involve the police, unless they asked for the sole purpose of maintaining the peace or providing general security for their employees.

I would not allow my troops to do this kind of civil standby, it sounds more like something the Contstable's office would do.

But, as always, the FTP crowd will find a way to say that the police are violating rights, and that the Constitution is being trampled, an big government is eroding our rights.

They are taking this way out of proportion, and don't realize that the police could just take a statement from the gas guy seeing a brick of heroin on the table and get a warrant. There is no reason to possibly taint a situation by trying to walk around the requisites for a legal case.

Again, this is just a bunch of crying over nothing. This too shall pass and they will find something else to bitch about.

[Cooter]

you said taint

[Taylor]

I read the posted article from the link, and the related articles from that website. I did not find one single mention of any arrests or contraband located arising from this situation.

It appears that the gas company does have legal standing to enter homes for the continuance of service.

Legally, the gas company can make entry and do whatever service related tasks they need. I don't know why the would involve the police, unless they asked for the sole purpose of maintaining the peace or providing general security for their employees.

I would not allow my troops to do this kind of civil standby, it sounds more like something the Contstable's office would do.

But, as always, the FTP crowd will find a way to say that the police are violating rights, and that the Constitution is being trampled, an big government is eroding our rights.

They are taking this way out of proportion, and don't realize that the police could just take a statement from the gas guy seeing a brick of heroin on the table and get a warrant. There is no reason to possibly taint a situation by trying to walk around the requisites for a legal case.

Again, this is just a bunch of crying over nothing. This too shall pass and they will find something else to bitch about.

If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

Or something like that.

[Broncojohnny]

I read the posted article from the link, and the related articles from that website. I did not find one single mention of any arrests or contraband located arising from this situation.

Oh look who is trusting the media. It is refreshing for you to finally take that side versus a lot of other threads where you go on and on about their bias.

[svauto-erotic855]

So, pray tell, what are the arrest and confiscation stats from this endeavor? Huh???

If I read the article correctly the total arrest arising from this are ZERO along with no property taken.

I fussed a bit about the experience with the law concerning my friend but I never said FTP.