No more 3,000mi oil changes says California.

[Chili]

Do me a favor and read our exchange.. Maybe I am still missing something.

Not sure why it is so bad that California is advising people to follow their manufacturers suggestions for oil changes.

As far as the Lube shops losing revenue, that just means they need to raise the price of an oil change.

What harm does it do to the economy to change your oil every 3k miles?

By that logic, why don't we just all have our oil changed at 1,000 miles?

You're ignoring the point. Right now, if you want to change your oil at 7,500, or 10k you can. And, it's cheaper for you to do that. If you want to change your oil at 3k you can, and it's cheaper. If this went into law, if you wanted to change your oil at 7,500 or 10k it would be more expensive. And if you wanted to change your oil at 3k you couldn't. The proposed mandate would take freedoms, make life more expensive, lose jobs, and cause other states to pay for it. I don't support the idea.

Ignoring what point? Maybe I misread the story but where does that story say anything about this becoming a law?? They have launched a campaign to educate consumers.

California has a history of preempting legislation with awareness programs. This article is entirely based on the awareness program, not any law. Most of the discussion is based on if they decided to make it law and the legality behind it if they did.

I understand that the article is based on an awareness program, and as my first post indicated, I am still not sure why that is such a bad thing. Just because some dude on Jalopnik says that it is doesn't make it so. Even if a couple of laws have been passed after an awareness campaign, I'm sure they run a very large number of campaigns that lead to nothing. Which, IMO, is where this will lead.

I honestly do not see how any state could ever feasibly enforce legislation like that, especially when every car on the road is going to have different manufacturer suggestions. And even on the suggestions they make they specify that if your vehicle is subjected to severe driving conditions you should use a shorter interval.

Edit - Also not sure how they could even word such a law.

[CJ]

Do me a favor and read our exchange.. Maybe I am still missing something.

I understand that the article is based on an awareness program, and as my first post indicated, I am still not sure why that is such a bad thing. Just because some dude on Jalopnik says that it is doesn't make it so. Even if a couple of laws have been passed after an awareness campaign, I'm sure they run a very large number of campaigns that lead to nothing. Which, IMO, is where this will lead.

I honestly do not see how any state could ever feasibly enforce legislation like that, especially when every car on the road is going to have different manufacturer suggestions. And even on the suggestions they make they specify that if your vehicle is subjected to severe driving conditions you should use a shorter interval.

I'm saying that we have the freedom to change our oil whenever we want right now, without government intervention. You made the point that if they made this law, it would make oil changes more expensive. My point is if you want to change your oil at 7,500 miles you certainly can, and it would be cheaper. If this became law you would lose the freedom to change it whenever you want AND shops would be forced to increase the charge of the service to boot. You mentioned why not change it at 1,000 miles - you certainly could do that, and yes it would help the economy even more - the downside being it's unnecessary. Basically I'm advocating the silliness of any prospective legislation much as you seem to be.

edit: We're talking about government here. They can legislate anything no matter how stupid. They have laws revolving around perceived intent - what they think you were thinking - hows that for ridiculous.

[Chili]

I'm saying that we have the freedom to change our oil whenever we want right now, without government intervention. You made the point that if they made this law, it would make oil changes more expensive. My point is if you want to change your oil at 7,500 miles you certainly can, and it would be cheaper. If this became law you would lose the freedom to change it whenever you want AND shops would be forced to increase the charge of the service to boot. Basically I'm advocating the silliness of any prospective legislation much as you seem to be.

Dude, I think you are confusing me with someone else. I never made any point saying that if this was made a law that it would raise the price of oil changes. My quote is in my last post.

I stated "As far as the Lube shops losing revenue, that just means they need to raise the price of an oil change." And the only reason I said that was because someone had mentioned that this awareness campaign was going to cause lube shops to lose revenue. Until my last post I made no comment nor posted any opinion about this potentially becoming law.

I wasn't even arguing with you! lol

[CJ]

Dude, I think you are confusing me with someone else. I never made any point saying that if this was made a law that it would raise the price of oil changes. My quote is in my last post.

I stated "As far as the Lube shops losing revenue, that just means they need to raise the price of an oil change." And the only reason I said that was because someone had mentioned that this awareness campaign was going to cause lube shops to lose revenue. Until my last post I made no comment nor posted any opinion about this potentially becoming law.

I wasn't even arguing with you! lol

We're all discussing the prospects of it's impacts. I was the one saying it was make the businesses lose revenue. All of this is obviously theory based.

[Chili]

I'm saying that we have the freedom to change our oil whenever we want right now, without government intervention. You made the point that if they made this law, it would make oil changes more expensive. My point is if you want to change your oil at 7,500 miles you certainly can, and it would be cheaper. If this became law you would lose the freedom to change it whenever you want AND shops would be forced to increase the charge of the service to boot. You mentioned why not change it at 1,000 miles - you certainly could do that, and yes it would help the economy even more - the downside being it's unnecessary. Basically I'm advocating the silliness of any prospective legislation much as you seem to be.

edit: We're talking about government here. They can legislate anything no matter how stupid. They have laws revolving around perceived intent - what they think you were thinking - hows that for ridiculous.

Dangit, you edited after I quoted!

I made the comment about changing it every 1k miles because you asked how would changing it at 3k hurt the economy. It wouldn't hurt the economy, but it is wasteful and unnecessary.

[CJ]

Dangit, you edited after I quoted!

I made the comment about changing it every 1k miles because you asked how would changing it at 3k hurt the economy. It wouldn't hurt the economy, but it is wasteful and unnecessary.

exactly what I was saying, and that's why I said you missed my point, because we're saying the same thing

So this is the reason I never get invited to those parties anymore. LOL

[David L. Gary]

Oil change time

Uh, that's what dipsticks are for. When it looks a little dirty, change it. Most of the time I only change mine 2-3 times a year with normal driving. Of course I've never paid to have my oil changed, so I could'nt care less what happens to the quick change businesses that profit off laziness. Let them all close, and maybe everyone will learn how to turn one bolt, and unscrew/screw a filter.

Best advice I have seen on here in a while. The reason you cannot see through the oil is that it is contaminated with something. Honestly, the OILS are great, but the filters are still too small to be completely effective. Even the best of the filters simply do not have enough capacity to keep the oil clean enough for those service intervals.

[Chili]

exactly what I was saying, and that's why I said you missed my point, because we're saying the same thing

So this is the reason I never get invited to those parties anymore. LOL

Haha.. Nah, we really haven't had any big or planned G2G's lately.

[sig239]

Excellent post. I can't help but highlight errors.

Fuck you fag, if that all you have to do in life I feel sory for you. What ever it takes to make you feel better about you life so be it. PUSSY

[sig239]

Actually you cant



Overpaying and taking someone's money because you are giving them false information are two different things.

Dont argue with the kid, hes always right and knows every thing. Kids

[sig239]

Please don't try to explain...you've made it clear you don't know what freedom is.

And the public place makes it a grey area. You see limiting smoking as an attack on your freedom...I see it as a protection from your nasty cancer craving ass. You aren't complaining because you can't piss and shit wherever you want as well are you?

Junior wound him a new buzz word FREEDOM, as long as hes free to do what he wants.

[slow84lx]

And when did those start being implemented? 2003ish? I honestly don't know.

Luxury cars started getting them in the early 90's. I've followed these recommendations for changing the oil in my Deville & Mark VIII's for years with no problems and running well still. I know for a fact that several times the Deville had 12k miles on the oil before the change and the Marks have probably been over 10k before the indicator came on. Cadillac specifies dino oil and the Lincolns get Motorcraft synthetic blend.

IMO, 3,000 mile oil changes on newer cars is a waste. One Mark had 200,000, the other currently has 184,000, and the Deville has 130,000. The oil and change intervals are working well.

[CJ]

Fuck you fag, if that all you have to do in life I feel sory for you. What ever it takes to make you feel better about you life so be it. PUSSY

fag? pussy? Really? Gonna take my milk also? Get over your butthurt and grow the fuck up.

[CJ]

Junior wound him a new buzz word FREEDOM, as long as hes free to do what he wants.

LOL at you trying to make friends with everyone that disagrees with me. You're fucking pathetic. You must be as old as your grammar leads me to believe. You are 10x dumber than I ever suspected. I don't even know what the fuck "wound him a new buzz word" even means, I'm sure you fucked it up so bad I can't even understand it.

[ceyko]

Don't get all learned up now, you might wound something.