Diesel vs. Gas long term cost of maintenance/repairs

[CJ]

Are you looking for truck data?

Either or. I went through the article very closely, they do not cover any maintenance/repairs in the article, but they give a formula to calculate it, but their data is so precise it's useless to me unfortunately.

[mustangguy289]

and after 5yrs, the diesel will be worth $15-20k and the gasser will be worth $5k

It accounts for depreciation. Your statement has no facts behind it.

3500 says it will have depreciated 23,343
Theoretically you should be able to sell it for 52,279-23343=28,936
74,963 (cto)- 28,936 (sale price)= $46,027 actually lost.

1500 says it would have depreciated $19,165.
Theoretically you should be able to sell it for 40,338-19165= 21173
$58,902(CT0)- 21173 (sale price)=$37,729 that you actually lost


So yes, the diesel will be worth more when you sell it (common sense) however, even after recouping that money the diesel will still cost you 8,298 dollars more out of pocket of 5 yrs. Of course these are theoretical numbers but are much better than pulling 5k and 15k out of your ass.

The days to own a diesel because it is cheaper are gone (if they ever were here). They are good if you need them, but with gas trucks pulling 10k plus lbs and lasting much longer than they used to it is not always the better choice anymore.

[Cooter]

I just looked into this matter a few weeks ago when I was considering buying a diesel over a gaser. It just made more sense to buy gas over a diesel in my case. For the same truck I bought in diesel form would of costed me over 12k more than I paid for the gaser. Also add in the fact the price difference in fuel and maintenance and it was a no brainer. True a diesel might hold it's value a little bit better than a gas truck, but no way in hell is a diesel going to be worth $15k more than my truck 5 years and 100k miles down the road.

I think your truck is a different example as the ecoboost is going to be a reliable high mileage engine.

but a 3/4 ton gasser vs. diesel is a no brainer IMO. I know you ballers only buy brand new, but I watch used prices pretty steady, and gas trucks hold pitiful value.

You pay for it in fuel and maint costs, but you get to enjoy a much better truck the whole time too

[Cooter]

I'm not buying $20k for a 5y old 60k mile gasser... sorry.

In my initial response to this thread I said that diesel isn't usually cheaper than gas anymore

back when diesel was 30 cents cheaper than gas and the engines were trouble free, it was the best kept secret.

Now it's tough to make an argument for a diesel unless you're actually putting the truck to work. Even then, gas makes more sense a lot of times.

I just keep buying them because I'm hooked on them

It accounts for depreciation. Your statement has no facts behind it.

3500 says it will have depreciated 23,343
Theoretically you should be able to sell it for 52,279-23343=28,936


74,963 (cto)- 28,936 (sale price)= $46,027 actually lost.
1500 says it would have depreciated $19,165.

Theoretically you should be able to sell it for 40,338-19165= 21173

$58,902(CT0)- 21173 (sale price)=$37,729 that you actually lost


So yes, the diesel will be worth more when you sell it (common sense) however, even after recouping that money the diesel will still cost you 8,298 dollars more out of pocket of 5 yrs. Of course these are theoretical numbers but are much better than pulling 5k and 15k out of your ass.

The days to own a diesel because it is cheaper are gone (if they ever were here). They are good if you need them, but with gas trucks pulling 10k plus lbs and lasting much longer than they used to it is not always the better choice anymore.

[racrguy]

You really are a fucking moron. I said recent vehicles...not as far back as you can find data on. How can you really consider that "research" when you are trying your hardest to not be as wrong as you already are? You just provided a list for extreme driving conditions, no shit that's gonna change the oil life...and it will do so on a diesel as well.

I wish there were more ways to tell you how stupid you are, but you've surpassed anything I can say all on your own.

Read what Mustangguy has posted if you want more proof.

Keep yourself busy here to learn something and stop skewing results:

http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-changing-your-oil.html

"For 2010 vehicles, 14 of 35 carmakers are now using oil life monitoring systems. One GM car driven by Edmunds went 13,000 miles before the monitoring system indicated the need for an oil change. We sent a sample of that oil to a lab for analysis. The results showed the oil could have safely delivered at least another 2,000 miles of service."

And if you'll notice, mouthbreather. I wasn't talking to you when I quoted that particular service interval. I was addressing what Lason said, dolt. And you also didn't read the entirety of what I said to him, so it's no surprise that a lot of the points I make go so far above your head if you were to try to get to them you'd develop a nose bleed.

[CJ]

It accounts for depreciation. Your statement has no facts behind it.

3500 says it will have depreciated 23,343
Theoretically you should be able to sell it for 52,279-23343=28,936
74,963 (cto)- 28,936 (sale price)= $46,027 actually lost.

1500 says it would have depreciated $19,165.
Theoretically you should be able to sell it for 40,338-19165= 21173
$58,902(CT0)- 21173 (sale price)=$37,729 that you actually lost


So yes, the diesel will be worth more when you sell it (common sense) however, even after recouping that money the diesel will still cost you 8,298 dollars more out of pocket of 5 yrs. Of course these are theoretical numbers but are much better than pulling 5k and 15k out of your ass.

The days to own a diesel because it is cheaper are gone (if they ever were here). They are good if you need them, but with gas trucks pulling 10k plus lbs and lasting much longer than they used to it is not always the better choice anymore.

The initial problem I see with that is you're not factoring in fuel costs. I have never seen a gas/diesel truck comparison in which the gas ended up being cheaper to own. And damn I've read a lot of shit in the last few months.

[mustangguy289]

The initial problem I see with that is you're not factoring in fuel costs. I have never seen a gas/diesel truck comparison in which the gas ended up being cheaper to own. And damn I've read a lot of shit in the last few months.

Give me the average MPG for a dodge 3500 and I can calculate that for you however diesel fuel is much higher at the moment so that would probably not sway it in your favor.

The numbers above were taking straight from edmunds and of course can vary. They also assume buying brand new.

[mustangguy289]

I'm not buying $20k for a 5y old 60k mile gasser... sorry.

In my initial response to this thread I said that diesel isn't usually cheaper than gas anymore

back when diesel was 30 cents cheaper than gas and the engines were trouble free, it was the best kept secret.

Now it's tough to make an argument for a diesel unless you're actually putting the truck to work. Even then, gas makes more sense a lot of times.

I just keep buying them because I'm hooked on them

I think we can agree on every account here, but unfortunately that won't help CJ.

[zemog]

Give me the average MPG for a dodge 3500 and I can calculate that for you however diesel fuel is much higher at the moment so that would probably not sway it in your favor.

The numbers above were taking straight from edmunds and of course can vary. They also assume buying brand new.

my 2005 1ton 4x4 dodge cc, longbed diesel averages 18-19 empty around town, 16-17 hauling a trailer (town), hwy empty 21.9-22ish.

my 2007 1/2 hemi gets 16-17 empty, and 12 hauling at its best with the trailer i haul

my 2005 3/4 4x4 ford longbed, crewcab gets a woopin 15.5 empty and again around 12 or so loaded

its all about the 5.9 fuel mileage for everything to break even, buying a ford or chevy throws everything out the window, i would go with gas if you dont want the dodge 5.9

[Couver]

What is going to be the lifespan of the vehicle? Seems having to get a diesel every 8-9 years vs a gas rig every 3-4 depending on use would do it as stated. If that proves to be true then the maint costs on a diesel would pail vs buying new shit....

[black2002ls]

CJ, I would talk to the service managers at a couple of different dealerships, especially if they are preferred dealerships by your lender. Have them put together some proposals on the expected service intervals over the life span of the typical lease, or time frame you are interested in. That will give you a comparison. The different service intervals, and parts.

[CJ]

Give me the average MPG for a dodge 3500 and I can calculate that for you however diesel fuel is much higher at the moment so that would probably not sway it in your favor.

The numbers above were taking straight from edmunds and of course can vary. They also assume buying brand new.

It's almost always cheaper even with the premium.

[CJ]

CJ, I would talk to the service managers at a couple of different dealerships, especially if they are preferred dealerships by your lender. Have them put together some proposals on the expected service intervals over the life span of the typical lease, or time frame you are interested in. That will give you a comparison. The different service intervals, and parts.

That's what I've done, waiting to see what the dealers have for me.

[Sean88gt]

As emissions get tighter the light duty diesels are going to lose more appeal. I have two "13" dodges sitting outside that have DEF systems that will only add to the cost of the truck. The current trucks just aren't practical for what 95% of people use them for.

They may hold value better now but I'm not sure this will be a continued trend - UNLESS the truck is pre emissions, then those trucks may grab a retarded premium.

[G..]

Then don't get mad when I don't believe you, that's all I'm sayin'. Skepticism at its finest. Make a claim to fact, don't provide evidence to support claim. Claim not fact, the way I see it.

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