Diesel vs. Gas long term cost of maintenance/repairs

[mustangguy289]

They also have a true cost to own page that might help you.

2011 Ram 3500 Laramie crew 4dr 4wd diesel : 5 yr cost to own $74,963

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/ram-pickup-3500/2011/tco.html?style=101352086

2011 Ram 1500 Laramaie crew 4dr 4wd hemi gas: 5 yr cost to own $ 58,902

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/ram-pickup-1500/2011/tco.html?style=101349695

It didnt have the diesel option on 2500 which is why i picked 3500.

[Strychnine]

Nuts, yeah that's the article I used for my report as a matter of fact.

Are you looking for truck data?

[Chas_svo]

CJ, give Ryder vehicle leasing a call. I bet they have just what you need, but it would be for 3/4 ton+. I don't recall seeing them manage 1/2 tons or passenger cars.

[racrguy]

My 2003 Dodge Ram 1500 with the Hemi stated 7500 miles oil change intervals in the manual. I always changed it at 3000-5000 miles anyway but was shocked at how clean the oil always was.

Looking at the maintenance schedules for an '04 (the dodge website doesn't go back to '03. If you drive under any of the following conditions:
Day or night temperatures are below 32° F (0° C).
² Stop and go driving.
² Extensive engine idling.
² Driving in dusty conditions.
² Short trips of less than 10 miles (16 km).
² More than 50% of your driving is at sustained high
speeds during hot weather, above 90° F C (32°).
² Trailer towing.
² Snowplowing.
² Heavy Loading.
² Taxi, police, or delivery service (commercial service).
² Off-road or desert operation.
² If equipped for and operating with E-85 (ethanol)
fuel.

Your service interval is 3k, if none of these apply, 6k.

Google recent intervals...I know what I'm talking about...you don't. Look it up...or are you that afraid of being wrong?

You claim you know what you're talking about, yet you've given me no good reason to believe anything you say. If you can't show it, you don't know it.

[CJ]

Are you looking for truck data?

That PDF is something I hadn't seen yet, I've been reading it for the last 20 mionutes... very good research here. I think this will help me. Unfortunately it really doesn't seem to populate any data on maintenance or repair, even though they touch on it. Seems like an unfinished report.

[mustangguy289]

Looking at the maintenance schedules for an '04 (the dodge website doesn't go back to '03. If you drive under any of the following conditions:
Day or night temperatures are below 32° F (0° C).
² Stop and go driving.
² Extensive engine idling.
² Driving in dusty conditions.
² Short trips of less than 10 miles (16 km).
² More than 50% of your driving is at sustained high
speeds during hot weather, above 90° F C (32°).
² Trailer towing.
² Snowplowing.
² Heavy Loading.
² Taxi, police, or delivery service (commercial service).
² Off-road or desert operation.
² If equipped for and operating with E-85 (ethanol)
fuel.

Your service interval is 3k, if none of these apply, 6k.


You claim you know what you're talking about, yet you've given me no good reason to believe anything you say. If you can't show it, you don't know it.

2011 dodge ram 1500 is 8000 miles according to Edmunds.

[Cooter]

$60 oil change every 8-10k plus a fuel filter every now and then. No timing belts or plugs.

Gas needs a $30 oil change every 3-5k. Most of the newer ones don't need plugs changed but every 100k.

no way on earth I'd run a DPF equipped truck to 8k miles per oil change. maybe 5k max

[racrguy]

2011 dodge ram 1500 is 8000 miles according to Edmunds.

Fair enough, but Lason and I were specifically talking about an '03, the closest I could come from the manufacturer was '04.

RD, as far as being wrong, I'm perfectly fine with being wrong, but don't expect me to admit when I'm wrong unless you prove me wrong. We've seen one so far that falls into your range of 7.5-10k. One =/= several.

[mustangguy289]

Fair enough, but Lason and I were specifically talking about an '03, the closest I could come from the manufacturer was '04.

RD, as far as being wrong, I'm perfectly fine with being wrong, but don't expect me to admit when I'm wrong unless you prove me wrong. We've seen one so far that falls into your range of 7.5-10k. One =/= several.

There are several out there. The farther advanced the vehicles come the more efficient they are. Yes, 2003-2004 was probably the beginning of the longer intervals and only your very high end cars were getting them. If you look at newer model vehicles you will see more 7.5-10 than you will 3-5.

I am not going to take the time to look up numerous vehicles to prove it.

[zemog]

at $1+ gallon more for diesel, I dunno

with the fuel mileage of a dodge its worth it verses the gas of any truck when using for hauling....now granted this was the reason i bought the 5.9's in the first place, its really a wash as far as maintenace goes,( i changed oil every 10k miles, i dont think you could get away with that on a gas engine for 300k plus on all 4 of my diesels), although the diesel is going to last longer, again this is the 5.9 cummins, i havent bought a new one yet, but i am about to get a few after the first of the year, my 96 just lost the injector pump at 485k so i sold her off.

[Cooter]

They also have a true cost to own page that might help you.

2011 Ram 3500 Laramie crew 4dr 4wd diesel : 5 yr cost to own $74,963

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/ram-pickup-3500/2011/tco.html?style=101352086

2011 Ram 1500 Laramaie crew 4dr 4wd hemi gas: 5 yr cost to own $ 58,902

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/ram-pickup-1500/2011/tco.html?style=101349695

It didnt have the diesel option on 2500 which is why i picked 3500.

and after 5yrs, the diesel will be worth $15-20k and the gasser will be worth $5k

[racrguy]

There are several out there. The farther advanced the vehicles come the more efficient they are. Yes, 2003-2004 was probably the beginning of the longer intervals and only your very high end cars were getting them. If you look at newer model vehicles you will see more 7.5-10 than you will 3-5.

I am not going to take the time to look up numerous vehicles to prove it.

Then don't get mad when I don't believe you, that's all I'm sayin'. Skepticism at its finest. Make a claim to fact, don't provide evidence to support claim. Claim not fact, the way I see it.

[FreightTrain]

I just looked into this matter a few weeks ago when I was considering buying a diesel over a gaser. It just made more sense to buy gas over a diesel in my case. For the same truck I bought in diesel form would of costed me over 12k more than I paid for the gaser. Also add in the fact the price difference in fuel and maintenance and it was a no brainer. True a diesel might hold it's value a little bit better than a gas truck, but no way in hell is a diesel going to be worth $15k more than my truck 5 years and 100k miles down the road.

[Lason]

Fair enough, but Lason and I were specifically talking about an '03, the closest I could come from the manufacturer was '04.

RD, as far as being wrong, I'm perfectly fine with being wrong, but don't expect me to admit when I'm wrong unless you prove me wrong. We've seen one so far that falls into your range of 7.5-10k. One =/= several.

I dont own the truck anymore so I cant double check myself but I spefically remember 7500 miles because I even asked the dealer about it when I bought it. We were trying to figure out what this funky hook was on the dash and I was shocked when I saw the oil change interval. I also dont remember any of those limitations you listed.

Like I said, I could be wrong but it was the first year of the Hemi in the trucks so they may have lowered it the second year out.

[Ruffdaddy]

Looking at the maintenance schedules for an '04 (the dodge website doesn't go back to '03. If you drive under any of the following conditions:
Day or night temperatures are below 32° F (0° C).
² Stop and go driving.
² Extensive engine idling.
² Driving in dusty conditions.
² Short trips of less than 10 miles (16 km).
² More than 50% of your driving is at sustained high
speeds during hot weather, above 90° F C (32°).
² Trailer towing.
² Snowplowing.
² Heavy Loading.
² Taxi, police, or delivery service (commercial service).
² Off-road or desert operation.
² If equipped for and operating with E-85 (ethanol)
fuel.Your service interval is 3k, if none of these apply, 6k.


You claim you know what you're talking about, yet you've given me no good reason to believe anything you say. If you can't show it, you don't know it.

You really are a fucking moron. I said recent vehicles...not as far back as you can find data on. How can you really consider that "research" when you are trying your hardest to not be as wrong as you already are? You just provided a list for extreme driving conditions, no shit that's gonna change the oil life...and it will do so on a diesel as well.

I wish there were more ways to tell you how stupid you are, but you've surpassed anything I can say all on your own.

Read what Mustangguy has posted if you want more proof.

Keep yourself busy here to learn something and stop skewing results:

http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-changing-your-oil.html

"For 2010 vehicles, 14 of 35 carmakers are now using oil life monitoring systems. One GM car driven by Edmunds went 13,000 miles before the monitoring system indicated the need for an oil change. We sent a sample of that oil to a lab for analysis. The results showed the oil could have safely delivered at least another 2,000 miles of service."