Talk about "parents" messing with a kid's mind

[BERNIE MOSFET]

If you want to see what happens to ancient societies when their moral barometers start to slide and they start to accept everything as "normal" then go read up on ancient Rome. When the activities that were formally on the fringe (both conservative and liberal) become part of the norm, and as the average person's feelings start to swing, there is a definite link to social breakdown through history.

I'm sorry, I thought the rise of Christianity somehow contributed to western society plunging into a millennium of intellectual recession, persecution, and poverty. Maybe I'm wrong.

Keep your morality. Religious fervor bankrupts society in a way decadence could never achieve, let alone tolerance of individual predilections.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I'm sorry, I thought the rise of Christianity somehow contributed to western society plunging into a millennium of intellectual recession, persecution, and poverty. Maybe I'm wrong.

Keep your morality. Religious fervor bankrupts society in a way decadence could never achieve, let alone tolerance of individual predilections.

Hold onto your horses, brother. You can have morals without being religious. Everyone has a belief system of some form or another.

And you can thank Catholicism for all of those things you've just credited Christianity with and more. If you're looking for a modern feudal system, just let the Catholic church have their way.

[ELVIS]

Hail Mary



Makaveli in this... Killuminati, all through your body
The blow's like a twelve gauge shotty
Uh, feel me!
And God said he should send his one begotten son
to lead the wild into the ways of the man
Follow me; eat my flesh, flesh and my flesh

Come with me, Hail Mary
Run quick see, what do we have here
Now, do you wanna ride or die
La dadada, la la la la

I ain't a killer but don't push me
Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting pussy
Picture paragraphs unloaded, wise words being quoted
Peeped the weakness in the rap game and sewed it
Bow down, pray to God hoping that he's listening
Seeing niggas coming for me, to my diamonds, when they glistening
Now pay attention, rest in peace father
I'm a ghost in these killing fields
Hail Mary catch me if I go, let's go deep inside
the solitary mind of a madman who screams in the dark
Evil lurks, enemies, see me flee
Activate my hate, let it break, to the flame
Set trip, empty out my clip, never stop to aim
Some say the game is all corrupted, fucked in this shit
Stuck, niggas is lucky if we bust out this shit, plus
mama told me never stop until I bust a nut
Fuck the world if they can't adjust
It's just as well, Hail Mary

Penitentiaries is packed with promise makers
Never realize the precious time the bitch niggas is wasting
Institutionalized I lived my life a product made to crumble
But too hardened for a smile, we're too crazy to be humble, we balling
Catch me father please, cause I'm falling, in the liquor store
That's the Hennessee I hear ya calling, can I get some more?
Hail 'til I reach Hell, I ain't scared
Mama checking in my bedroom; I ain't there
I got a head with no screws in it, what can I do
One life to live but I got nothing to lose, just me and you
on a one way trip to prison, selling drugs
We all wrapped up in this living, life as Thugs
To my homeboys in Clinton Max, doing they bid
Raise hell to this real shit, and feel this
When they turn out the lights, I'll be down in the dark
Thuggin eternal through my heart, now Hail Mary nigga

They got a APB, out on my Thug family
Since the Outlawz run these streets, like these skanless freaks
Our enemies die now, walk around half dead
Head down, K blasted off Hennessee and Thai
Trying it, mixed it, now I'm twisted blisted and high
Visions of me, Thug living getting me by
Forever live, and I multiply survived by Thugs
When I die they won't cry unless they coming with slugs

Peep the whole scene and whatever's going on around me
Brain kinda cloudy, smoked out feeling rowdy
Ready to wet the party up, and whoever in that motherfucker
Nasty new street, slugger my heat seeks suckers
on the regular mashing in a stolen black Ac Integ-ra
Cock back, sixty seconds 'til the draw that's when I'm dead in ya
Feet first, you got a nice gat but my heat's worse
From a Thug to preaching church, I gave you love now you eating dirt
Needing work, and I ain't the nigga to put you on
Cause word is bond when I was broke I had to hustle 'til dawn
That's when sun came up, there's only one way up
hold ya head and stay up, to all my niggas get ya pay and weight up

If it's on then it's on, we break beat-breaks
Outlawz on a paper chase, can you relate
to this shit I don't got, be the shit I gotta take
Dealing with fate, hoping God don't close the gate
If it's on then it's on, we break beat-breaks
Outlawz on a paper chase, can you relate
to this shit I don't got, be the shit I gotta take
Dealing with fate, hoping God don't close the gate

We've been traveling on this wayward road
Long time 'til I be take a 'eavy load
But we ride, ride it like a bullet
Hail Mary, Hail Mary
We won't worry everything will come real
Free like the bird in the tree
We won't worry everything will come real
Yes we free like the bird in the tree
We running from the penitentiary
This is the time for we liberty
Hail Mary, Hail Mary


god bless.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Hold onto your horses, brother. You can have morals without being religious. Everyone has a belief system of some form or another.

And you can thank Catholicism for all of those things you've just credited Christianity with and more. If you're looking for a modern feudal system, just let the Catholic church have their way.

I'm obviously overstepping on specifically equating morality with religion, and the atrocities committed. I overgeneralized the same as you did in suggesting that an apparent decline in morality alone could bring about the fall of the Roman Empire. There were a number of factors involved, all subject to debate.

The point I really wanted to make is that when any group with a particular belief system begins to legislate or enforce theirs over others, then we run into problems. At what point to does one group stop tolerating another's beliefs? If society is to run amok, I'd feel better about it running to excess than the historical alternative where imposition of beliefs against others is often at sword point of some form or another.

Edit: also my 666th post! Take that, Religion!

[Denny]

and if you take that stance, homosexuality is not against one of the 10 Commandments.

Unless you decide to interrpret this another way:

thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

* i kid on the bolded stuff

Holy shit! I LOL'd the crap outta that one!!!

[The King]

Considering Jesus left only two laws when he died, and abolished the original 613 commandments, of which those now only apply to the Israelites who didn't believe Jesus was the son of god, I don't see where homosexuality is a Christian concern any longer. Jesus left his followers only two laws. To love God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. He never said, "unless they are gay".

I mean I guess you can just pick and choose which laws to use when they are necessary to your cause.

Wrong, He did not abolish the Laws. (See below)

God only gave 10 commandments (laws), the pharisees and such made all the other garbage. The 10 were given to show how utterly sinful we are and we're never meant as a way to salvation.

I also agree that all sin is equal in God's eyes, we put levels of severity on them.

The Laws given by God to Moses were garbage?

Matthew 5:17-20

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Correct ^^^^^

[Jimbo]

John Lennon said "All you need is love" and The Beatles were more popular than Jesus, sooooo....

I get the humor, but that is actually a good comparison. Jesus was basically the first popular hippy, and very liberal in his teachings. Which has always made me question the majority of his followers today being conservative and more interested in personal liberties. Todays republican party doesnt seem to preach a lot of "give away your money to the needy", because a rich man going to heaven would be more difficult than a camel passing through a needles eye. But the majority do push christianity pretty hard.

[racrguy]

A lot of the discussion here is based on the assumption that 1) Jesus existed 2) he was the son of god, and was divine and 3) the bible is the inerrant word of god. All three of those are still up for discussion. One that I've tried to have many times, only to find those that say all three of those things are true are saying so without any evidence.

[Big A]

A lot of the discussion here is based on the assumption that 1) Jesus existed 2) he was the son of god, and was divine and 3) the bible is the inerrant word of god. All three of those are still up for discussion. One that I've tried to have many times, only to find those that say all three of those things are true are saying so without any evidence.

That's why it's called faith.

[Denny]

A lot of the discussion here is based on the assumption that 1) Jesus existed 2) he was the son of god, and was divine and 3) the bible is the inerrant word of god. All three of those are still up for discussion. One that I've tried to have many times, only to find those that say all three of those things are true are saying so without any evidence.

Also assuming that the ghey is a condition or trait, rather than just a piss poor decision.

[racrguy]

That's why it's called faith.

And faith is almost literally saying "I don't know how this works, so god did it" and never trying to figure out the real answer.

Also assuming that the ghey is a condition or trait, rather than just a piss poor decision.

Except, it's not. Generally speaking.

[Denny]

How is it that you are so right all the time? Blows my mind!

[racrguy]

How is it that you are so right all the time? Blows my mind!

It's simple, research. And yes, I know you're being facetious. Some of us don't try to make god fit what science has discovered, or attribute the actions of a few to the actions of many.

[ceyko]

It's simple, research. And yes, I know you're being facetious. Some of us don't try to make god fit what science has discovered, or attribute the actions of a few to the actions of many.

I noticed though a lot of times you feed the God angle to an extent when it comes to gay/other sort of relationships. It's a TARP!

I believe in God, but I don't even care what the bible says. Things like these are just disgusting to me. Is there anything wrong with it just being disgusting to me?

Some people like to poop on each other. I find that disgusting, maybe you do as well. If you do then you understand what I think of these things. My belief in God does not even play a part until a little later in the thought process.

[SHO_SHANE]

Denny is 1000000000% right.

This stuff it just crazy.