Talk about "parents" messing with a kid's mind

[Silverback]

It's hard to do, I'll admit that here and now. The Bible also says that for a man or woman to be given to their desires/lusts for the same sex is an abomination(sin).

Again that come from Leviticus, in the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross, he left only two laws of god, and specific rules for entrance into heaven.

Take him as your savior, as he died for your sins and you shall be saved. That's it, no other stuff, no side rules, no bigger sins don't apply, no "except gays" part of it.

That's all he asked in order to be taken into the kingdom of heaven, there were no read the fine print of the new testament footnotes on that.

[Snatch Napkin]

Again that come from Leviticus, in the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross, he left only two laws of god, and specific rules for entrance into heaven.

Take him as your savior, as he died for your sins and you shall be saved. That's it, no other stuff, no side rules, no bigger sins don't apply, no "except gays" part of it.

That's all he asked in order to be taken into the kingdom of heaven, there were no read the fine print of the new testament footnotes on that.

but, but.... The Bible has been translated too many times to know exactly what was said. Let's not forget about what Constantine had everyone do to those other books of witness testimony.

[ThreeFingerPete]

But homosexuality is normal, it's seen throughout nature as a natural occurrence. Why should humans somehow be immune to this natural phenomenon? It's been around since the ancient greeks (as far back as I cared to look) so it's not like it's a new thing. Also, since you say that homosexuals came from abused childhoods most of the time, and it's backed up with plenty of evidence, you should be able to provide the evidence so I can look at it. After all, of all the things I dislike, I dislike being wrong the most.
Like bcoop said earlier, you can't discriminate against an entire group of people because of the actions of a few.

Ultimately, it's not normal. Regardless of how you feel about it, normal would mean that there a large amount of same sex animals having sex, and that is simply not the case. There are a few exceptions, but as Robert alluded to earlier, "mounting" is a show of domination and would be the sexual equivalent to jail rape.

If you want to see what happens to ancient societies when their moral barometers start to slide and they start to accept everything as "normal" then go read up on ancient Rome. When the activities that were formally on the fringe (both conservative and liberal) become part of the norm, and as the average person's feelings start to swing, there is a definite link to social breakdown through history.

[slow06]

Touche.
I doubt there is any evidence to support homosexual dinosaurs.

However, what we do know is that animals that are around now with ancestors from then have been pack type animals all along. Their behaviors have been incredibly similar and one main thing about any pack is the mounting of any would be aggressor to the Alpha, whether it is male or female. This one basic characteristic has never changed.

Haha, well you said pre-human, I just assumed that would be dinosaurs. I just googled it:http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...8012857AANagN6
Awesome answer:

yes, the rugmunchasaurus and the limpristadon are 2 that spring to mind straight away!!

I can't say I ever heard of pack animal acting like that, I'll have to look that up some time.

[Tx Redneck]

Again that come from Leviticus, in the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross, he left only two laws of god, and specific rules for entrance into heaven.

Take him as your savior, as he died for your sins and you shall be saved. That's it, no other stuff, no side rules, no bigger sins don't apply, no "except gays" part of it.

That's all he asked in order to be taken into the kingdom of heaven, there were no read the fine print of the new testament footnotes on that.

His death on the cross made void the penalties of those period specific laws, and it did no however, remove what is or is not sin.

[Silverback]

but, but.... The Bible has been translated too many times to know exactly what was said. Let's not forget about what Constantine had everyone do to those other books of witness testimony.

Eh, don't even get me started on the alternate translations from Hebrew to English, let alone Hebrew to any other language. My brother in law is Israeli, and we've had those talks too.

All I'm trying to get at is that in the ultimate goal of Christianity was never to exculed anyone from God's kingdom. Jesus made it clear that everyone was to be loved, and ANYONE could gain entrance to heaven by simply taking him as their savior, and asking for forgiveness for their sins. This is my main objection to the organized efforts of today's Christianity. The simple message to love each other and get along has been lost within the confines of what's morally acceptable to one person versus another.

Lennon and Jesus were very much alike in their message, and unfortunately organized religion as well as Beatles fanatics have ruined those messages for a lot of people

[jasone]

why is anyone hating on the gays? how awesome would it be to not have to deal with women anymore.

I personally could never have sex with a man, I refuse to fuck something i respect.

[Silverback]

His death on the cross made void the penalties of the law, and it did no however, remove what is or is not sin.

but it did.

Tattoos by the original 613 commandments were a sin, today to adhere to common practices, that one is over looked.

Cursing one's parents, elders, church, etc. is the same level of sin as homosexuality according to God, there is no one sin greater than another in the eyes of God. Murder is even seen as the same as selling a field in Israel on the sin meter.

And all are forgivable, in the eyes of the lord.

[Silverback]

why is anyone hating on the gays? how awesome would it be to not have to deal with women anymore.

I personally could never have sex with a man, I refuse to fuck something i respect.

That's why you'd be a bottom. no one respects you!

[ELVIS]

That's why you'd be a bottom. no one respects you!

boosh!

god bless.

[SS Junk]

Considering Jesus left only two laws when he died, and abolished the original 613 commandments, of which those now only apply to the Israelites who didn't believe Jesus was the son of god, I don't see where homosexuality is a Christian concern any longer. .

Matthew 5:17-20

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

[Snatch Napkin]

Haha, well you said pre-human, I just assumed that would be dinosaurs. I just googled it:http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...8012857AANagN6
Awesome answer:

I can't say I ever heard of pack animal acting like that, I'll have to look that up some time.

LMFAO!!!

Well done, sir!

[Tx Redneck]

God only gave 10 commandments (laws), the pharisees and such made all the other garbage. The 10 were given to show how utterly sinful we are and we're never meant as a way to salvation.

I also agree that all sin is equal in God's eyes, we put levels of severity on them.

[Silverback]

God only gave 10 commandments (laws), the pharisees and such made all the other garbage. The 10 were given to show how utterly sinful we are and we're never meant as a way to salvation.

and if you take that stance, homosexuality is not against one of the 10 Commandments.

Unless you decide to interrpret this another way:

thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

* i kid on the bolded stuff

[Silverback]

I also agree that all sin is equal in God's eyes, we put levels of severity on them.

But according to God, we are not to pass judgement on anyone or anything, only God shall pass final judgement. We are to love eachother, no matter their sin, and help them find their way to the lord.

Neither Jesus nor God set out for any of their followers to pass judgement on others, or think of anyone as less of a person than another. Whether a homosexual, a leper, a bum, or a priest. Followers were to spread the message of Jesus's love, his ultimate sacrifice for their sins, and to continue loving eachother as Jesus had.