Talk about "parents" messing with a kid's mind

[Tx Redneck]

Again that come from Leviticus, in the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross, he left only two laws of god, and specific rules for entrance into heaven.

Take him as your savior, as he died for your sins and you shall be saved. That's it, no other stuff, no side rules, no bigger sins don't apply, no "except gays" part of it.

That's all he asked in order to be taken into the kingdom of heaven, there were no read the fine print of the new testament footnotes on that.

His death on the cross made void the penalties of those period specific laws, and it did no however, remove what is or is not sin.

[slow06]

Touche.
I doubt there is any evidence to support homosexual dinosaurs.

However, what we do know is that animals that are around now with ancestors from then have been pack type animals all along. Their behaviors have been incredibly similar and one main thing about any pack is the mounting of any would be aggressor to the Alpha, whether it is male or female. This one basic characteristic has never changed.

Haha, well you said pre-human, I just assumed that would be dinosaurs. I just googled it:http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question...8012857AANagN6
Awesome answer:

yes, the rugmunchasaurus and the limpristadon are 2 that spring to mind straight away!!

I can't say I ever heard of pack animal acting like that, I'll have to look that up some time.

[ThreeFingerPete]

But homosexuality is normal, it's seen throughout nature as a natural occurrence. Why should humans somehow be immune to this natural phenomenon? It's been around since the ancient greeks (as far back as I cared to look) so it's not like it's a new thing. Also, since you say that homosexuals came from abused childhoods most of the time, and it's backed up with plenty of evidence, you should be able to provide the evidence so I can look at it. After all, of all the things I dislike, I dislike being wrong the most.
Like bcoop said earlier, you can't discriminate against an entire group of people because of the actions of a few.

Ultimately, it's not normal. Regardless of how you feel about it, normal would mean that there a large amount of same sex animals having sex, and that is simply not the case. There are a few exceptions, but as Robert alluded to earlier, "mounting" is a show of domination and would be the sexual equivalent to jail rape.

If you want to see what happens to ancient societies when their moral barometers start to slide and they start to accept everything as "normal" then go read up on ancient Rome. When the activities that were formally on the fringe (both conservative and liberal) become part of the norm, and as the average person's feelings start to swing, there is a definite link to social breakdown through history.

[Snatch Napkin]

Again that come from Leviticus, in the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross, he left only two laws of god, and specific rules for entrance into heaven.

Take him as your savior, as he died for your sins and you shall be saved. That's it, no other stuff, no side rules, no bigger sins don't apply, no "except gays" part of it.

That's all he asked in order to be taken into the kingdom of heaven, there were no read the fine print of the new testament footnotes on that.

but, but.... The Bible has been translated too many times to know exactly what was said. Let's not forget about what Constantine had everyone do to those other books of witness testimony.

[Silverback]

It's hard to do, I'll admit that here and now. The Bible also says that for a man or woman to be given to their desires/lusts for the same sex is an abomination(sin).

Again that come from Leviticus, in the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross, he left only two laws of god, and specific rules for entrance into heaven.

Take him as your savior, as he died for your sins and you shall be saved. That's it, no other stuff, no side rules, no bigger sins don't apply, no "except gays" part of it.

That's all he asked in order to be taken into the kingdom of heaven, there were no read the fine print of the new testament footnotes on that.

John Lennon said "All you need is love" and The Beatles were more popular than Jesus, sooooo....

[Tx Redneck]

Considering Jesus left only two laws when he died, and abolished the original 613 commandments, of which those now only apply to the Israelites who didn't believe Jesus was the son of god, I don't see where homosexuality is a Christian concern any longer. Jesus left his followers only two laws. To love God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. He never said, "unless they are gay".

I mean I guess you can just pick and choose which laws to use when they are necessary to your cause.

You're correct in that we're to love ALL, but we do not have to love the sin(bad/poor choices).The Bible says even the wicked can love their friends, but we as Christians are to love everyone, period.

It's hard to do, I'll admit that here and now. The Bible also says that for a man or woman to be given to their desires/lusts for the same sex is an abomination(sin).

[Snatch Napkin]

Homosexual dinosaurs? I've never heard that before. How did scientists figure that one out? (If it was posted somewhere in here I missed it)

Touche.
I doubt there is any evidence to support homosexual dinosaurs.

However, what we do know is that animals that are around now with ancestors from then have been pack type animals all along. Their behaviors have been incredibly similar and one main thing about any pack is the mounting of any would be aggressor to the Alpha, whether it is male or female. This one basic characteristic has never changed.

[bcoop]

Honestly I think people could live with christians screwing up all the time if they didn't walk around pointing out everybody else's problems.

I bet you're more right than other Christians would be willing to admit. Yes, that's a huge problem I have with religion. And I know of several other people that feel the same way.


It's the holier than though, or preaching from upon high that drives a lot of people nuts. You want to believe in something, that's fine. But don't preach to me about how I need to be saved, how I'm going to hell, and how I'm not living a Godly life when you were on the barstool next to me last night, last week, etc.

I'm not completely arrogant. I do believe there is something out there that is greater than I am. I do believe that sprituality (not Christianity necessarily) is something more people should have. I do believe in a set of morals. I do believe that you should try to be a good person, regardless of your religious beliefs or lack thereof. But organized religion is something I have major issues with, for many reasons, but that's for another day and time. Classify me as agnostic, as I'm not an atheist.

I don't believe that Christians should spread hate over homosexuality. I do believe this goes against the basis of their very beliefs, and what is written in the Bible.

[Silverback]

Considering Jesus left only two laws when he died, and abolished the original 613 commandments, of which those now only apply to the Israelites who didn't believe Jesus was the son of god, I don't see where homosexuality is a Christian concern any longer. Jesus left his followers only two laws. To love God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. He never said, "unless they are gay".

I mean I guess you can just pick and choose which laws to use when they are necessary to your cause.

[slow06]

And therein lies the problem. I guess I've never, in my 30 years, met a "true" Christian. Sure, they may have good intentions. But every one I've met spreads hate, hypocrisy, and sins just as much, if not more than atheists or agnostics. But it's ok, because they can ask forgiveness and pray about it, and all is forgiven. Then they go do the very same shit the next day, and the day after, and so on and so forth. Denny, I love you bro, but you're even guilty of this behavior.

There are so many "Christians" out there that do this, I understand why people feel this way. Looking at the Christians in my own church I see it. Looking at my self I see it.The point is not that Christians don't sin, its that they ask for forgiveness and (should) make an effort not to do them in the future.

Putting that aside, I honestly think people could live with Christians screwing up all the time if they didn't walk around pointing out everybody else's problems. I think that is what really gets you, or at least that is what bothers me.

I sin all the time, quite possibly more than any atheist or agnostic, but you won't see me on a street corner telling you that you are going to hell. I try to live a live that shows Gods love and Grace. Not to say that sin doesn't exist or shouldn't be pointed out at the right time, but unless people know about grace then telling them about their sin is just beating them up about the same stuff you do. It is seen as hypocrisy and it is ignored.

Do you always resort to extreme, end of the spectrum thought processes when presented with a question?

We were discussing homosexuality tendencies in other animals. You classified it as a defect, when in fact, it has been going on longer than we (humans) have inhabited the Earth.

If this is how you plan to continue the discussion, then carry on by yourself.

Homosexual dinosaurs? I've never heard that before. How did scientists figure that one out? (If it was posted somewhere in here I missed it)

[Snatch Napkin]

Domination or pack wtf. So let me get this straight what ure saying is it would be ok to be a homosexual if u ran with a group of them. Thats like say "oh hey it's cool if ure a mass murdering psychopath as long as ure in a group of them"

Do you always resort to extreme, end of the spectrum thought processes when presented with a question?

We were discussing homosexuality tendencies in other animals. You classified it as a defect, when in fact, it has been going on longer than we (humans) have inhabited the Earth.

If this is how you plan to continue the discussion, then carry on by yourself.

The amount of restraint I'm showing by not getting involved in this thread is staggering.

[jasonw_2005]

So it has nothing to do with domination of a territory or pack? No chance it could happen simply because they can?

Those crazy bulls, bucks, chimpanzees, gorillas, whales, dolphins, and duckbill platypuses.


"You and me baby, ain't nothing but mammals...."

Domination or pack wtf. So let me get this straight what ure saying is it would be ok to be a homosexual if u ran with a group of them. Thats like say "oh hey it's cool if ure a mass murdering psychopath as long as ure in a group of them"

[Snatch Napkin]

As someone else on here already said it is a defect.

So it has nothing to do with domination of a territory or pack? No chance it could happen simply because they can?

Those crazy bulls, bucks, chimpanzees, gorillas, whales, dolphins, and duckbill platypuses.


"You and me baby, ain't nothing but mammals...."