RIP Dan Wheldon

[pHILSANITY07]

also LV's track surface is still somewhat new compared to TMS.The surface is probably 2-3 years old. I think because of that the speeds are higher and there is more grip.

[Grape]

Just now saw what you added to your post Grape. Thanks for the clarification. So with the same aero package at TMS they might have flirted with 230, and possibly the same blackout situation CART experienced thanks to the higher banking compared to LV?

cart was limited to about 700ish on the ovals back then, coupled with their hi drag hanford device to slow the cars. if they had moved the rear wing back say 1/4" from axle centerline the aero balance would have been off enough to cause teams to dial in more front wing...........and bam, the cars are 10 mph slower.

it would be easy to speed them up, that was cart banging their fists on their chest like a gorilla during the war between IRL and cart. IRL or indycar at TMS is so snugged down and full of drag you don't lift till it's time to pit...........my mom could drive one.

[Grape]

also LV's track surface is still somewhat new compared to TMS.The surface is probably 2-3 years old. I think because of that the speeds are higher and there is more grip.

that means dick when you are flat for the whole lap..........

[Ruffdaddy]

that means dick when you are flat for the whole lap..........

Until you have severe changes in acceleration such as a wreck or avoiding obstacles....

[Grape]

Until you have severe changes in acceleration such as a wreck or avoiding obstacles....

you guys have it all figured out, i'm sure the new pavement was really helping the 4 cars that were off the ground. using the steering wheel or brakes to avoid a wreck when a car is loaded with 3g's side load isn't happening......you've already made the commitment to where you are going and the car is on edge, you aren't going to alter it's direction much without being gearbox deep in the fence.

[pHILSANITY07]

that means dick when you are flat for the whole lap..........

oh

[Mike]

you guys have it all figured out, i'm sure the new pavement was really helping the 4 cars that were off the ground. using the steering wheel or brakes to avoid a wreck when a car is loaded with 3g's side load isn't happening......you've already made the commitment to where you are going and the car is on edge, you aren't going to alter it's direction much without being gearbox deep in the fence.

Thanks for coming in here and explaining the technical side of things.

[black2002ls]

nascar, indycar, even F1 is constantly changing aero rules without the average fan knowing what is going on. we are so limited on drag with the rear main plain angle being a set minimum that we actually run the cars far enough off the ground that the tray and diffuser don't work........on purpose.

the engine package that is changing to turbocharged engines for 2012 is to have a variable amount of hp so the aero package can remain similiar for all tracks. the hondas now make around 630, next year on street and roadcourses i've heard 950 from the honda guys, coupled with a new chassis that is 1450 pounds instead of 1625, should be entertaining. They will of course dial this back in the high 500's for the ovals.

Do you need an apprentice? lol

[Bputacoma]

Do you need an apprentice? lol

x2!!! pick me pick me!

[pHILSANITY07]

Indycar in their infinite wisdom decided to change the regulated aero package at kentucky and vegas. At most tracks the rules mandate a minimum amount of downforce to control speeds, they changed things just a bit for the last two races, resulting in the 10-15 mph increase. Not totally a bad idea, but with 34 cars entered, maybe not so much. we go 210-212 at texas with the previous rules package, at vegas with the previous rules it would be 205-210 at the most.

do you know why they decided to change the areo package?

[Grape]

They did it before kentucky, after we got back from japan. Have no clue why

[pHILSANITY07]

as a fans perspective i don't know why they would change them. The package that they use at TMS seems fine.

[Grape]

we are gonna miss you danny, known you 20 years........

[ARIX]

I got to hang out with him for a day back in 2005 just before he won the Indy 500. Here's the shoot I did with him. He was a nice guy I can't believe he is gone.

http://youtu.be/4df2AX2CgL0

[black2002ls]

I got to hang out with him for a day back in 2005 just before he won the Indy 500. Here's the shoot I did with him. He was a nice guy I can't believe he is gone.

http://youtu.be/4df2AX2CgL0

Awesome video. He seemed like a great person! I loved the part when he was talking about the people camping in the fast lane