Occupy Dallas

[347Mike]

Most of the working class is already there, Alan. They just add the option of debt to it to put them outside of their means. It's killing them.

What the holy fuck are you talking about?!?!

Right. Most people don't have the luxury of putting any extra money to use to counter inflation like some of us. They shouldn't have to, though. If they earned a certain amount, they should be able to spend it at that value whenever they want. This crap only forces people to put it into the "system" and most lose it anyway.

What are these luxuries you are referring to specifically, just curious? I think everyone has the same opportunity regardless of pay.

People can save (IMO) regardless of how much money they make. When I first moved to Texas I was working for $5.25 an hour plus tips which wasn't much. I had a kid and a car payment, rent etc, and always had cash in my accounts. I will agree it is MUCH easier to save/invest, etc when you make more but I don't see the argument that those making minimum wage can't save and do all those things the middle class/rich do.

It all depends on where your priorities are.

[forbes]

I've had more issues with work ethic and incompetence from the college grads that worked both under and above me than I have with those that have worked their way in/up on their own without a formal education and stupid piece of paper stating they spent some time in school post-high school.

Granted, there are several professions that require advanced education that no one should argue its necessity (doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc) but employers are missing out on great employees with proven work experience (even specific to the job in question) to that stupid piece of paper and some brat with no experience.

it also show why our school system sucks. I don't know in your area, but we no longer have drafting, woodshop, metalshop, or auto. The things that gave certain kids an opportunity to find a skill. sorry but not everyone's kids are college / office material. but we have made it this way by hiring illegals cheaper than living wages. Now adays i pay top dollar for an immigrant worker to perform when i could be paying a 19 year old and him learn some skill to

[347Mike]

There are several hundred thousand people protesting nation wide for several hundred different reasons. Conveniently, the media is focusing on the crapbags like pictured on page one.

I seriously doubt those people and I could be in the same room together for more than 30 seconds.

lol

[Bassics]

make welfare a case of ramen and a copy of the want-ads for the week and I think there really would be changes.

Move the top rail to the bottom, there will still be a bottom and a top.

[Denny]

What are these luxuries you are referring to specifically, just curious? I think everyone has the same opportunity regardless of pay.

People can save (IMO) regardless of how much money they make. When I first moved to Texas I was working for $5.25 an hour plus tips which wasn't much. I had a kid and a car payment, rent etc, and always had cash in my accounts. I will agree it is MUCH easier to save/invest, etc when you make more but I don't see the argument that those making minimum wage can't save and do all those things the middle class/rich do.

It all depends on where your priorities are.

Realistically speaking, there are several living paycheck to paycheck, if not worse.

[Denny]

it also show why our school system sucks. I don't know in your area, but we no longer have drafting, woodshop, metalshop, or auto. The things that gave certain kids an opportunity to find a skill. sorry but not everyone's kids are college / office material. but we have made it this way by hiring illegals cheaper than living wages. Now adays i pay top dollar for an immigrant worker to perform when i could be paying a 19 year old and him learn some skill to

Making drones for our massive service industry. Back in the 40s-70s, public schools pushed vocations because it was the demand at the time. Public schools are just a tool for the government. We're their workerbees.

make welfare a case of ramen and a copy of the want-ads for the week and I think there really would be changes.

Move the top rail to the bottom, there will still be a bottom and a top.

Right. Take away their incentive to be lazy fucks. Right now we're encouraging the gubment's teet.

[Bassics]

Realistically speaking, there are several living paycheck to paycheck, if not worse.

It doesn't magically improve. There are personal choices that sometimes get in the way, and sometimes just crap luck bites you in the ass. I honestly don't see how a couple in their early 20s with two kids somehow "deserves" not to live paycheck to paycheck. Maybe they can, maybe they can't.

7yrs followed by another 7 and all that...

[Denny]

Which is why I said this system has already fucked it for good... unless we totally reset it.

[Bassics]

I lived paycheck to paycheck for most of my adult life. I always had work and I always paid my bills, or did without.

Funny thing though, I have finally reached a level where I am much more comfortable, and guess what? I still live within a conservative budget. I don't think that is going to change for most people.

I'm not sure what everyone wants to try and "fix". Or how. I can think of many things that are crappy and need to be abolished because they are counter to prosperity. Just to be fair, I'll throw out something; abolish capital gains taxes on dividends. Talk about making capital available...

[347Mike]

I lived paycheck to paycheck for most of my adult life. I always had work and I always paid my bills, or did without.

Funny thing though, I have finally reached a level where I am much more comfortable, and guess what? I still live within a conservative budget. I don't think that is going to change for most people.

I'm not sure what everyone wants to try and "fix". Or how. I can think of many things that are crappy and need to be abolished because they are counter to prosperity. Just to be fair, I'll throw out something; abolish capital gains taxes on dividends. Talk about making capital available...

I grew up boarder line poor and refuse to ever go back. I also learned from those mistakes where 'others' would rather point fingers and cause trouble I have focused on making it work.

Unless you are a single mom with 5 kids, there is most likely room for saving.

[Broncojohnny]

Most of the working class is already there, Alan. They just add the option of debt to it to put them outside of their means. It's killing them.

Because of another issue entirely, instant gratification. Making an economy that isn't focused on debt won't change human nature and these people will live exactly the same as they do now because they lack discipline. The only difference is that people who want to get ahead won't be able to do so. Catering to the least common denominator just means we all live like shit.

While I agree that people put money into the financial system and lose it, saying that their earnings should keep their value perpetually is more idealism. That has never happened and never will. The solution to all this is educating people about money. We don't do that in school and people are dumb because of it, we've got entire industries that take advantage of dumb people. The supply side of the dumb people equation needs to stop, not the demand side. The demand side is actually called capitalism, btw.

[Bassics]

Even if you can't save, you should be bettering yourself. And kids grow up. Needs change.

Like you I've been poor and it sucked. I'm not rich but I know poorness sucks, so I'll head in the opposite direction.

[Junioropolous07]

I can see it now, lots of dirty hippies with eight fish hooks in their face, giant hoops in their ears and sleeve tats saying the world isn't fair because no one wants to give them a job.

When has having gauges in your ears, or facial piercings ever stopped anyone from getting a job, let alone a sleeve tattoo.. called covering it up and not wearing the gauges or facial piercings to work..don't know what direction you are going wit this.

[CJ]

When has having gauges in your ears, or facial piercings ever stopped anyone from getting a job, let alone a sleeve tattoo.. called covering it up and not wearing the gauges or facial piercings to work..don't know what direction you are going wit this.

I sure and the fuck wouldn't hire you if you had that shit.

this whole occupy shit is going to be a giant failure/backfire. Anyone with any lick of sense can see these kids are violent, whiny, privileged, and worthless examples of what our lack of responsibility society has produced. But, there is light in this situation. It is quite evident to me that these kids are not going to be much competition to people like me, who work hard for what they have.

[347Mike]

Someone can't be that naive........