No jobs for smokers

[68chevy2]

Do cigarettes cause heart problems? I haven't seen any studies that prove it.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/heart-disease/DS01120/DSECTION=causes

Causes of heart arrhythmia
Common causes of abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias), or conditions that can lead to arrhythmias include:

* Heart defects you're born with (congenital heart defects)
* Coronary artery disease
* High blood pressure
* Diabetes
* Smoking
* Excessive use of alcohol or caffeine
* Drug abuse
* Stress
* Some over-the-counter medications, prescription medications, dietary supplements and herbal remedies
* Valvular heart disease

Major Risk Factors

High Blood Pressure (Hypertension). High blood pressure increases your risk of heart disease, heart attack, and stroke. Though other risk factors can lead to high blood pressure, you can have it without having other risk factors. If you are obese, you smoke, or you have high blood cholesterol levels along with high blood pressure, your risk of heart disease or stroke greatly increases.

Yes, smoking is on that list genius! You showed proof that heart disease is the number one killer in the world, what you're missing is the fact that smoking can lead to heart disease.

[68chevy2]

Good for you.

Again, smoking isn't healthy, but it's a choice, and it's not the biggest killer in America right now. Regardless, people that smoke, smoke as a choice. It's an easy fix unlike the fat and cholesterol that they ingest from fast food joints.

However, how much can you blame them? Get out and do something. Be active you fat fuck!(not directed at anybody)........fucking do something! Stop trying to blame somebody else for your laziness. Or your kids laziness! Just fucking go outside!

Easy fix??? Isn't quitting smoking compared to quitting hard drugs? Cleaning up your diet is a little easier I would think. Personally, I haven't ever had to quit smoking or loose weight. I'm 6'5 215lbs, never smoked and eat fairly healthy.

[racrguy]

Living in a social world, some people smoke. Stop thinking too much in to it.

I'm not thinking too much into it. You said there were social positives. What are they? I'm a non smoker and I can go out to a bar and have a beer with my buddies, socialize, and have a grand old time. All without the need for a smoke. In fact, of all the people that I hang with, aside from Yale and a married couple that stopped smoking a couple months ago, everyone smokes. Please, oh wise one, elaborate on what the social positives are. Unless you wish to clarify your statement.

[Chopped54]

I worked for Baylor for 10 years. They started down this path in 2007 making the hospital a smoke free campus.
I am not a smoker, so I personally see no problem with it.

[Lason]

Smoking increases your blood pressure regardless of diet. Higher blood pressure causes kidney damage. I can keep saying it. Again, more to the point, smoking is easier to control as a health care cost from an employer's position than obesity is. You can test for it. You can ban it on the property. It costs less to mitigate, so it's an easy win for the bean counters.

EDIT: If it were your business, would you let your own personal attachment to a particular vice get in the way of banning that vice amongst your employees at a demonstrable cost to your bottom line?

I personally think quitting smoking causes high bp. When i quit almost 2 years ago my bp shot up and now I have to take pills for it. I dont know if its stress or what but just personal obsevation.


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[Lason]

Smoking has social positives? News to me. Elaborate. More specifically, name for me one thing that you can do as a smoker that someone can't do as a non smoker. I can think of something that a non smoker can do that a smoker can't.

Once again from personal expirience, I was alot more social as a smoker. You cant help be social walking outside to burn one down at work on break. Now i just prefer hang out at my desk instead of going out there. Just one of many examples.

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[SS Junk]

Smokers= junkies

[SSMAN]

I have a right to drink, but I don't get to do it at work. but I am not bitching about it. I say good for them. It's a drug addiction and it shows weakness. Not to mention there are always butts thrown on the ground.

[SSMAN]

I am pretty sure I don't smell. There are ways to avoid it.

If you smoke, you smell. I don't care how much cologne you wear. There is just no getting around it.

Had a room mate many years ago that smoked. He was nice enough not to do it in the house. One night he was drunk (when you drink, that is a message from god to the smokers to light up) and smoked one in his room. The AC intake vent is right across the hall from his room. My bed smelled of smoke, along with all my clothes in my closet. It was a long day of laundry due to a quick smoke. Like said above, smokers have no clue how bad they smell.

[ceyko]

Wow, the thread went off on a tangent.

In my opinion, the choice should be up to the employer. Just like the choice to allow smoking SHOULD be up to the owner of the place. Also, just like a person smoking or not should be their choice.

There are many vices out there that are not healthy. Hell, drinking alcohol is not. We need to stop and think how far down a path of government involvement we want to go.

Things like this are similar to gun control, little baby steps of things taken away and next thing bb guns would be illegal.

[347Mike]

Oh you stink!

I never realized how bad I smelled untill I quit. I cant even ride the elevators at work now because they stink so bad.

As far as the job thing goes, I can see their point about insurance but its still discrimination. They either need to treat smokers equally or make cigarettes illegal.

I had clients on site last week and smoked the entire week they were there. One was a smoker and she nor anyone else picked up on me smoking.

Also one of my employees for a year just found out I smoke this past week when he actually saw me.

Dunno.

[Lason]

I have a right to drink, but I don't get to do it at work. but I am not bitching about it. I say good for them. It's a drug addiction and it shows weakness. Not to mention there are always butts thrown on the ground.

Alcohol impaires your ability to work, smoking does not.

A better comparison would have been to say that you have the right to drink but your employer can say he doesnt want you working for him because he saw you hanging out at the sports bar last weekend with a beer in your hand.

[EW]

Employers should have the right to hire/not hire whomever they want for any reason. It is in their best interest to choose the best/smartest/most productive/least issue having person available.

[Sean88gt]

I am pretty sure I don't smell. There are ways to avoid it.

You smell of cancer.

[SS Junk]

You smell of cancer.

Exactly. Not only that, but the smell is in your skin.