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    The online poker world in the United States was brought to a halt in April as PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker were charged with bank fraud, illegal gambling offenses and money laundering. On Tuesday, the Manhattan U.S. Attorney has motioned to amend the forfeiture and civil money laundering complaint to highlight that Full Tilt Poker and its board of directors operated the company as a "massive Ponzi scheme".

    The amended complaint explains that while FTP maintained player funds were safe, the company never actually had the represented cash on hand as a result of crediting users' deposits without actually receiving the money. There was a shortfall of approximately $130 million as a result of that process.

    The complaint further states that as of March 31, FTP owed players around the world $390 million, but only had $59 million on hand.

    "As the proposed amended complaint describes in detail, Full Tilt was not a legitimate poker company, but a global Ponzi scheme," Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said in a statement. "As a result of our enforcement actions this alleged self-dealing scheme came to light. Not only did the firm orchestrate a massive fraud against the U.S. banking system, as previously alleged, Full Tilt also cheated and abused its own players to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. As described, Full Tilt insiders lined their own pockets with funds picked from the pockets of their most loyal customers while blithely lying to both players and the public alike about the safety and security of the money deposited with the company."

    Additionally, the complaint assesses that the company used player funds to pay board members and other owners more than $440 million.

    In addition to Ray Bitar, who was named in the initial complaint, three high-profile players were also named as board members in the DOJ's press release: Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson and Rafael "Rafe" Furst. According the U.S. Attorney's Office, they've "restrained five accounts associated with those individuals."

    The complaint also maintains that the aforementioned board members are liable to the government "in an amount that is no less than $40,954,781.53 for Bitar; $41,856,010.92 million for Lederer; $25 million for Ferguson; and $11,706,323.96 million for Furst."

    In total, the four board members and estimated 19 additional owners of Tiltware, LLC received $443 million in distributions since April 2007.

    The Alderney Gambling Control Commission suspended Full Tilt Poker's license in June and a hearing was held Sept. 19 and 20 to discuss a possible reinstatement. Since that time, there has been no activity on the online poker site.

    Full Tilt Poker was previously a sponsor of poker programming on ESPN.

  • #2
    I was always skeptical of these places.
    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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    • #3
      $440M ain't a bad rake!
      http://www.truthcontest.com/entries/...iversal-truth/

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      • #5
        Originally posted by MattB View Post
        A ponzi scheme doesn't have a large source of income? Sure it does!

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        • #6
          The thing is, if these guys had that kind of money on hand they could easily make millions a year and not really have the money at risk. Just another story where people see millions sitting there and get greedy and try to take it.
          Originally posted by racrguy
          What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
          Originally posted by racrguy
          Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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          • #7
            Originally posted by MattB View Post
            love that a popup ad for Full Tilt poker alternatives came up listing PokerStars in the top 5.

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            • #8
              Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
              The thing is, if these guys had that kind of money on hand they could easily make millions a year and not really have the money at risk. Just another story where people see millions sitting there and get greedy and try to take it.
              exactly...it looks like a bunch of greedy people that weren't happy with just making a measly few million a year...they had to dip into the accounts and steal that money as well.

              i started a poker account a few years ago, with $50 or $100, and i don't even remember which one, right off hand...i hope it wasn't full tilt. lol i haven't logged into it since '07ish!

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              • #9
                "ponzi's schemes dont make tens of millions of dollars a year."

                The one I worked for with avinson sure as hell did. They sold 4 oil and gas deals in a year, each one for a little over 3.5 million each.

                Dwan needs to stick to poker

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                • #10
                  Anyone start making comparisons to Social Security while reading that?

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                  • #11
                    Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                    Anyone start making comparisons to Social Security while reading that?
                    yep.
                    "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." -Benjamin Franklin
                    "A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury." -Alexander Fraser Tytler

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                    • #12
                      Originally posted by mstng86 View Post
                      Anyone start making comparisons to Social Security while reading that?


                      It isn't illegal if the government does it.

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                      • #13
                        Originally posted by Jedi View Post
                        love that a popup ad for Full Tilt poker alternatives came up listing PokerStars in the top 5.
                        The site that article is on makes it's money from getting players to sign-up to various pokers sites and getting a small cut of the money taken-in, so it makes sense! Pokerstars is THE best poker site out there, and like just about any other place, it doesn't accept American players, but it did give any American that had money on their site every cent back that was in their account, which is more than Fulltilt or Ultimate Bet has done!

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                        • #14
                          The first line in CWO's post said that Pokerstarts was also charged, so thats why I thought it was funny.

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                          • #15
                            Originally posted by Jedi View Post
                            The first line in CWO's post said that Pokerstarts was also charged, so thats why I thought it was funny.
                            They are in trouble for previously allowing Americans to play, not taking player's money. Pokerstars is great, as long as you don't live in America!

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