Mustangs and Muscle cars

[Baba Ganoush]

Remember some early GTO's ('66-'67) actually had little chrome "6.5 litre" badges on the fenders. I also had a '66 428 Galaxy that had a "7 Litre" badge on each fender and rear tail-light panel....sorry!

Yeah I know, but that was the foreign influence, "litre" doesn't compute to me. Boasting about an engine size in liters is something that the true muscle car crowd does not participate in.

[BLAKE]

Yeah I know, but that was the foreign influence, "litre" doesn't compute to me. Boasting about an engine size in liters is something that the true muscle car crowd does not participate in.

Funny thing, the (arguably) first muscle car was the GTO, whose name was heavily influenced by, if not down-right ripped off from, the Ferrari.

[racrguy]

I had a '70 Mach 1 in High School (graduated in '81), 428, 4 speed, pretty much all the options. Gave a grand total of $2500 in cash and trade for it (you couldn't hardly give those things away back then) and it was in good shape. Nice car. I now drive a 2012 GT with a 6 speed. Really nice car. Daily driver choice? No question, the 2012. Weekend toy choice? Tough call. The 2012 is quicker, faster, handles better, and gets better mileage than the '70. Looks are subjective. I love old school (since I grew up with it) but I like the new cars too.

Oh, and the OP's POS '67? Really? You're giving people shit about liking "old school" muscle and you post up pics of a fucking 6 cylinder coupe? Yeah, that's what I picture when I daydream about old school muscle. An inline 200 ci and a 1 bbl carb.

Wait, trailer park. Nevermind.

A rental at that.

OP, you can throw all the nice suspension pieces at an old pony/muscle car, but it won't do you a damn bit of good due to the wet noodle they called a chassis back then, let's not forget the thing still weighs a ton.

While the nostalgic aspect of the older cars is awesome, as far as performance and in some cases aesthetics nothing beats the stuff we've got nowadays.

[BLAKE]

OP, you can throw all the nice suspension pieces at an old pony/muscle car, but it won't do you a damn bit of good due to the wet noodle they called a chassis back then, let's not forget the thing still weighs a ton.

While the nostalgic aspect of the older cars is awesome, as far as performance and in some cases aesthetics nothing beats the stuff we've got nowadays.

Back up hot rod. A '68 Mustang weighs almost 1000 Lbs less than 2011. Chassis dynamics are surely much improved on the new cars and they're better in every measurable way. That said, older cars can be braced/connected and otherwise improved to handle pretty well for what they are. I like my manual steering and I've done enough to the suspension to make it fun to drive and handle worlds better than it did when new. 2011 Mustang well? Not in any way you can measure, but it's just as good in a different way. Fun as shit. The weight difference helps since I only have 300 or so HP.

[Momentomoir]

I had a '70 Mach 1 in High School (graduated in '81), 428, 4 speed, pretty much all the options. Gave a grand total of $2500 in cash and trade for it (you couldn't hardly give those things away back then) and it was in good shape. Nice car. I now drive a 2012 GT with a 6 speed. Really nice car. Daily driver choice? No question, the 2012. Weekend toy choice? Tough call. The 2012 is quicker, faster, handles better, and gets better mileage than the '70. Looks are subjective. I love old school (since I grew up with it) but I like the new cars too.

Oh, and the OP's POS '67? Really? You're giving people shit about liking "old school" muscle and you post up pics of a fucking 6 cylinder coupe? Yeah, that's what I picture when I daydream about old school muscle. An inline 200 ci and a 1 bbl carb.

Wait, trailer park. Nevermind.

No not calling it a muscle car, I quoted some one and showing what i had since they mentioned a '68. That's a restore project car that was passed down to us that we're restoring in honor of my father in-law. It was my mother-in-law's car she couldn't do anything with it (father-in-law was working on it before he died in January) and instead of letting it sit there. He wanted to see the car up in running again(which it is now) before he died sadly he didn't get a chance the man was only 55.
Also not sure if you would classify this as a trailer park
An acre of land for each house or mobile. Plus my rent-to-own payment is only $200 can you blame me for living out here?

For the young girl that loves a classic (I can't hate that):

Pony car = Sporty 4 seat, 2 door American car with an available V8, characterized by it's long hood, short deck (trunk area) proportions.
Examples: Mustang, Camaro/Firebird, Challenger

Muscle car = Midsize 64-73 4 seat, 2 door American car with the largest V8 available crammed in it. Cowls, scoops and crazy graphics are encouraged but not required.
Examples: Fairlane/Torino, Chevelle, GTO, 442, Charger, Roadrunner, and a bunch more

Sports car = 2 seat, 2 door car from anywhere. That's as much explanation as you get.
Example: Corvette

This is all up for debate, of course, but that's the general low-down.

Edit: so it could be argued that there are no modern muscle cars. At least, that I can think of.

Ya I guess thats better put then how i put it.

[CRASH]

Not my land. I just rent here. Landlord just took care of the lawn

My woman, you assume i have one how nice

I just wish i didnt have to wait on parts.

You trollin?

After reading the first few posts the OP made I was thinking either this moron is a kid, or a chick. Then I see Mike's detective skills once again and think, possibly both ?! LMAO !!

So, OP, what exactly are your plans for this car you're going to "restore" ?

-Aaron

[Momentomoir]

After reading the first few posts the OP made I was thinking either this moron is a kid, or a chick. Then I see Mike's detective skills once again and think, possibly both ?! LMAO !!

So, OP, what exactly are your plans for this car you're going to "restore" ?

-Aaron

Full body/interior restoration, alil break work, new tires, power steering

[talisman]

After reading the first few posts the OP made I was thinking either this moron is a kid, or a chick. Then I see Mike's detective skills once again and think, possibly both ?! LMAO !!

So, OP, what exactly are your plans for this car you're going to "restore" ?

-Aaron

Put 3 grand into it, realize it is a waste of time, sell it for a loss.

[racrguy]

Back up hot rod. A '68 Mustang weighs almost 1000 Lbs less than 2011. Chassis dynamics are surely much improved on the new cars and they're better in every measurable way. That said, older cars can be braced/connected and otherwise improved to handle pretty well for what they are. I like my manual steering and I've done enough to the suspension to make it fun to drive and handle worlds better than it did when new. 2011 Mustang well? Not in any way you can measure, but it's just as good in a different way. Fun as shit. The weight difference helps since I only have 300 or so HP.

I was thinking more of the "muscle car" you outlined. Those things, to the best of my imagination are big, slow, and cantankerous. I fully well admit, I haven't been in one, but just look at it, there's no way you can get that much metal in an object and keep it "light" by street car standards. lol

Put 3 grand into it, realize it is a waste of time, sell it for a loss.

I'll give tree fiddy.

Edit: And a half eaten ham sammich.

[Momentomoir]

Put 3 grand into it, realize it is a waste of time, sell it for a loss.

Nope see my above post

[BLAKE]

That's a restore project car that was passed down to us that we're restoring in honor of my father in-law. It was my mother-in-law's car she couldn't do anything with it (father-in-law was working on it before he died in January) and instead of letting it sit there. He wanted to see the car up in running again(which it is now) before he died sadly he didn't get a chance the man was only 55.

That's probably the best reason in the world to restore a six-banger coupe. As long as it isn't an investment and you intend to keep and enjoy it, it's a winning game plan. It sure doesn't hurt that it's a family heirloom. They don't all have to be collectors items and race cars.

Full body/interior restoration, alil break work, new tires, power steering

Brake work, hon. brake

[71chevellejohn]

Back up hot rod. A '68 Mustang weighs almost 1000 Lbs less than 2011. Chassis dynamics are surely much improved on the new cars and they're better in every measurable way. That said, older cars can be braced/connected and otherwise improved to handle pretty well for what they are. I like my manual steering and I've done enough to the suspension to make it fun to drive and handle worlds better than it did when new. 2011 Mustang well? Not in any way you can measure, but it's just as good in a different way. Fun as shit. The weight difference helps since I only have 300 or so HP.

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The smaller cars have gotten heavy over the years...68-72 Chevelles are ~3200lbs with a big block vs 2010 Camaro ~3800lbs w/aluminum small block(according to Edmunds), 2012 GT 3450lbs, challenger 4170lbs

EDIT:

I was thinking more of the "muscle car" you outlined. Those things, to the best of my imagination are big, slow, and cantankerous. I fully well admit, I haven't been in one, but just look at it, there's no way you can get that much metal in an object and keep it "light" by street car standards. lol

Check the weights above

[talisman]

Nope see my above post

Quote me two years from now and let me know where you're at. Maybe your name will be spelled correctly by then. And not that it has anything to do with anything, but you've got a serious case of the stoner eyes in that video, btw.

[racrguy]

x2

The smaller cars have gotten heavy over the years...68-72 Chevelles are ~3200lbs with a big block vs 2010 Camaro ~3800lbs w/aluminum small block(according to Edmunds), 2012 GT 3450lbs, challenger 4170lbs

EDIT:



Check the weights above

I stand corrected. My assumptions are wrong. But that begs the question. If the cars of today weigh 1k+ more than the cars of yesteryear, why are they so much slower? I mean, I always hear about people touting big block this, and wedge that, yet when I hear about a stock one running in the mid/high 14's, I'm like wtfux!?

[Mike]

Quote me two years from now and let me know where you're at. Maybe your name will be spelled correctly by then. And not that it has anything to do with anything, but you've got a serious case of the stoner eyes in that video, btw.

She won't stick around here for two years.