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    Starting today, the sides of four Fort Worth city buses will bear this message: "Millions of Americans are Good Without God."

    Their sponsor, the Dallas-Fort Worth Coalition of Reason, says it's only coincidence that the atheist-themed ads will debut during Christmas season. They are not exactly apologizing.

    "We've been trying to put these ads together for awhile and we didn't plan for them to come out now," said Terry McDonald of the Coalition of Reason. "But I'm not unhappy it's running during Christmas. Why do Christians own December? There were people that said this may cause a problem. That doesn't bother me."

    The ads on buses of the Fort Worth Transportation Authority, also known as the T, feature a collage of faces that make up an American flag, and the Web address of the coalition, the local chapter of a new national group called the United Coalition of Reason. According to national Director Fred Edwords, the ads' target audience is not Christians but nontheists who might feel isolated.

    "December would be a good time of year to let people know that these nontheist groups exist," he said. "These are people who during the holidays might feel a little left out. The holidays might be a good time [to run the ads]. People are thinking about these things."

    To some Fort Worth clergy, the timing is an insult.

    "I'm not a Christian, but I cannot help but feel it is done to hurt and to insult," said Rabbi Gary Perras of Congregation Ahavath Sholom in Fort Worth. "There is a better way of making your point. It's an in-your-face, mean kind of thing."

    To Rev. Ralph Emerson Jr., pastor of Rising Star Baptist Church, the message is not offensive, just wrong.

    "I'm not offended because they offend themselves," Emerson said. "We just accept there are persons who just don't fit into where we fit in. We'll pray for them and hope one day they'll come to see the light."

    Similar ad campaigns sponsored by the national coalition have taken place in several cities. However, the ads won't appear on Dallas buses because Dallas Area Rapid Transit refused to accept them. DART also turns down ads for alcoholic beverages and some movies, spokesman Morgan Lyons said.

    "For us, the point is to stay true to what we do -- we're a transit provider -- and not create a public forum," Lyons said. "We rejected the ads because we don't accept ads from religious groups."

    The T does accept religious ads.

    "We try to be fair to all parties in accepting advertising, and we do not discriminate among faiths or beliefs," T spokeswoman Joan Hunter said. "They met the criteria. If we receive other requests from other faiths, we'll evaluate them as well."

    She said the ads would appear on four buses for the next 30 days. The ads, called "king boards," cover the sides of the buses, she said. Printing the ads and buying the space costs about $2,480, she said.

    The local reason coalition includes 15 groups with various beliefs, McDonald said. One is Metroplex Atheists, which has several hundred members that actively campaign on issues such as separation of church and state. That group recently protested a pre-meeting prayer traditionally held by the North Richland Hills City Council, McDonald said.

    Other agencies involved in the coalition are based at colleges, or are primarily for social interaction, he said. No political agenda is behind the bus campaign, McDonald said, other than to raise awareness of the groups.

    "We're not trying to convert anybody," McDonald said. "There's so much religion in this area, and it's so visible. We're just trying to let people who are not believers know that there's a lot of people like them."

    The Rev. Tim Bruster, senior pastor of First United Methodist Church in Fort Worth, said he distinguished the coming ad campaign from more aggressive attacks on religious faith by national writers like Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.

    "There is more of an anti-religious bent to what they are doing," Bruster said. "I haven't seen the ad, but it doesn't sound like it's anti-Christian. It doesn't sound like it's a frontal attack."

    But Bruster took issue with the sponsor's name, which suggests that people of faith do not possess reason.

    "I think for folks in that camp to suggest that claiming the Christian faith is unreasonable or that it's anti-reason, that's not a fair characterization," Bruster said. "I do find that insulting.

    "But my reaction is not to lash out, but to demonstrate with our words and actions that we have a faith that is both reasonable and passionate. What we do in this season -- feeding the hungry, reaching out to the poor -- demonstrates in a concrete way who we are. Not issuing condemnations of someone with whom we obviously and strongly disagree."



    i honestly dont see the problem. my rights are no more important than theirs. thoughts?????

    god bless.
    It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men -Frederick Douglass

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    They adopted a portion of 157s just past 183. Saw their sign last time headed over to leah and craigs
    --Marcus

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    • #3
      My only complaint is that I wasn't able to be part of the campaign.

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      • #4
        I'm not religious by any means but I will never consider myself an "atheist" for this reason alone. They're just as self-righteous and stuck up as born-again christians.
        "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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          As an atheist myself, I dont understand people like this that go out of their way to try to piss off bible thumpers. If I didnt know any better I would think these people are really religious groups trying to smear atheist.

          I dont know another atheist that is so bothered by christmas and other holidays that they would put their own money to put ad's on bus's to piss people off.

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          • #6
            Awesome. I love how the Christians take it that it is an affront to them. It's anti-religion not anti-Christian.

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            • #7
              i think the extremes on either side are just as bad.

              god bless.
              It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men -Frederick Douglass

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Avery'sDad View Post
                Awesome. I love how the Christians take it that it is an affront to them. It's anti-religion not anti-Christian.
                The typical atheist will focus on christianity though. I think most self-proclaimed atheist just wanna piss off their parents, or think that they're special in some way. "Ooooh, I'm enlightened....twah..."
                "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Avery'sDad View Post
                  Awesome. I love how the Christians take it that it is an affront to them. It's anti-religion not anti-Christian.
                  Wrong, your blanket statement shows your complete ignorance of how Christians perceive anything.

                  These signs are simple attention whoring, nothing more or less.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lason View Post
                    As an atheist myself, I dont understand people like this that go out of their way to try to piss off bible thumpers. If I didnt know any better I would think these people are really religious groups trying to smear atheist.

                    I dont know another atheist that is so bothered by christmas and other holidays that they would put their own money to put ad's on bus's to piss people off.
                    Because believe it or not there are people who are surrounded by family and friends who don't believe and feel guilty and that they will be rejected by their close knit society. It's these people that the ads are trying to reach by telling them they are not alone and the should not feel the need to be persecuted for being a human being.

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                    • #11
                      I'm a believer and it doesn't bother me. If they want to spend their money on a recruitment tool, it's their business. I have friends that are "agnostic" and atheists', and are still good people. They know and respect my beliefs, and I do the same.

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                      • #12
                        I'm just glad I live somewhere that people have the freedom to post this kind of ad. It's an attempt to "stick it" to the Christians but whatever makes them happy.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Avery'sDad View Post
                          Because believe it or not there are people who are surrounded by family and friends who don't believe and feel guilty and that they will be rejected by their close knit society. It's these people that the ads are trying to reach by telling them they are not alone and the should not feel the need to be persecuted for being a human being.
                          You look too far into not believing in a supreme being. Just saying.
                          "Any dog under 50lbs is a cat and cats are pointless." - Ron Swanson

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The King View Post
                            Wrong, your blanket statement shows your complete ignorance of how Christians perceive anything.

                            These signs are simple attention whoring, nothing more or less.
                            Wrong. Grew up the whole Christian way. Felt guilty when I first started doubting the faith. Eventually I realized that as a human being I don't need to persecute myself for being a human being. All religion does is focus on something that no one knows anything about. It's mans way of trying to explain to others his rational on what happens when we die. In turn this creates a sort of tunnel vision on the thought process. Once you let go of that you realize your life is much more than that and you should live it and not go through it feeling like a sinner.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Vertnut View Post
                              I'm a believer and it doesn't bother me. If they want to spend their money on a recruitment tool, it's their business. I have friends that are "agnostic" and atheists', and are still good people. They know and respect my beliefs, and I do the same.
                              i dont think recruitment is their goal. No church = no tithing = no reason to lie to people to get them in.

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