Anyone else ran across a nut job lately?

[Shaggin Wagon]

Yes, he is.



Stevo

Good, glad to see him back.

[Broncojohnny]

This reminds me of that story from Houston where some people were riding dirt bikes by some lake or river and some meth head white trash fuckwads thought "they were ZOMG trespassin' on mah properties!" and got a shotgun and started firing off a bunch of buck shot at the people.

They ended up hitting some ten year old in the head with the shotgun, it killed him. They got life in prison.

[Silverback]

This reminds me of that story from Houston where some people were riding dirt bikes by some lake or river and some meth head white trash fuckwads thought "they were ZOMG trespassin' on mah properties!" and got a shotgun and started firing off a bunch of buck shot at the people.

They ended up hitting some ten year old in the head with the shotgun, it killed him. They got life in prison.

But if they have PTSD and think they were right, how did they go to jailz?

[Broncojohnny]

But if they have PTSD and think they were right, how did they go to jailz?

Reading what is posted above, I'm sure their entire defense revolved around their definition of the word "reasonable".

[racrguy]

I don't hide behind it. I tend to enjoy the heightened sense of awareness. He entered onto my property for reasons I did not know. When I tried to inform him of his trespass, he took off and flipped me off. Odds are, according to my train of thought, he was scouting my property looking for something worth stealing. He continued onto the property, according to him for 250 feet. That's quite a distance for someone to knowingly trespass. Who are you to say what he was or was not hurting. I have a right to defend my property, myself and my family.

And nothing I've said is stupid or against my reading of the law. Would you enjoy me taking my 4x4 through your yard and tearing it up a bit?

Yet again you've proven your inability to read and comprehend what people are saying. He was in the yard for 75', then 250 past the entry point (175 feet down the road) some NEIGHBOR from

He was three houses down dude. A neighbors yard. A neighbor he probably doesn't even know as it looked like a weekend lake house...

Tried to stop him, then threw a rock at him when he didn't stop. If someone is willing to jump in front of a moving vehicle, I'm not stopping either. Obviously that is one crazy SOB, and I don't feel like dealing with it.

Your thought processes have already been proven suspect because of your PTSD, you have said yourself that you are incapable of controlling yourself. Given what you've said, and your mental state, why do you own a gun? That situation sounds like giving a second grader a lit stick of dynamite.

While you are correct, nothing you said is against your reading of the law, but I'd be willing to bet that if a similar situation happened and you decided to plug someone, you're going to jail. It's not how you interpret the law, but how judges/lawyers/jury interpret it. And if you were to take your 4x4 through my yard, according to what you posted I would be justified in shooting you, read the criminal mischief part. Riding a dirt bike at walking speed isn't tearing up anything.

[stevo]

This reminds me of that story from Houston where some people were riding dirt bikes by some lake or river and some meth head white trash fuckwads thought "they were ZOMG trespassin' on mah properties!" and got a shotgun and started firing off a bunch of buck shot at the people.

They ended up hitting some ten year old in the head with the shotgun, it killed him. They got life in prison.

Don't ride where you are not supposed to ride.............................................. .................................................. ....................... problem solved.

Stevo

[Forever_frost]

Or it could have been his house and he was visiting someone else. As our resident police tend to say, we don't have the whole story, now do we?

Why do I own a firearm? Because I have a constitutional right to do so. Who are you to take my right from me? I carry daily and haven't shot anyone in 7 years. I can assure you, this second grader is FAR more qualified with a stick of dynamite than you are.

You even admit that my reading is correct. You would be quite justified in shooting me were I doing that. And we have his account, not the other individuals. I see a lot of personal attack at me for my state of mind yet nothing saying my interpretation is wrong. Tell me, what do you have against me? Do you hate the mentally disabled or just me?

[Ratt]

Damn, I started all kinds of shit in here. I get the whole don't trespass thing, and I'd be upset about someone riding a dirtbike through my yard at any speed. Given the fact that all the trigger-happys in here are overlooking the fact that the guy chasing him wasn't ven the property owner, I'll choose to ignore it as well and say that firing on someone in full dirt-bike gear who probably meant no harm WILL put you in jail. He was on the edge of the yard, just trying to get back to the street to get out of there. If you saw him a second time, or third time, then I could see where you might have REASONABLE cause to think he was casing your place, but even then, I'd have a hard time shooting someone who probably posed no threat in the first place.

[Broncojohnny]

Don't ride where you are not supposed to ride.............................................. .................................................. ....................... problem solved.

Stevo

More like, learn the law before claiming you have the right to shoot someone on your property, otherwise you'll be in pound you in the ass prison for the rest of your life.

[Silverback]

oh and i agree that mike was wrong for riding thru anyone's property on a motorcycle.

But shooting someone for doing so is a bit overboard, and mentally handicap or not, i'm sure you'd still go to jail for doing so.

cutting through a yard or property does not prove any criminal intent or property theft, if you shoot him, make sure you put a lawn gnome in his arms or something, so when the cops show up you can say he took it from you.

[Forever_frost]

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


I'm going to go with 3 a and 3 b.

[racrguy]

Or it could have been his house and he was visiting someone else. As our resident police tend to say, we don't have the whole story, now do we?

Why do I own a firearm? Because I have a constitutional right to do so. Who are you to take my right from me? I carry daily and haven't shot anyone in 7 years. I can assure you, this second grader is FAR more qualified with a stick of dynamite than you are.

You even admit that my reading is correct. You would be quite justified in shooting me were I doing that. And we have his account, not the other individuals. I see a lot of personal attack at me for my state of mind yet nothing saying my interpretation is wrong. Tell me, what do you have against me? Do you hate the mentally disabled or just me?

I don't hate you, or the mentally disabled. What I dislike is the fact that you know you don't think straight, yet you think the way you do things is right, when clearly they're wrong.

And no, I do not agree with you that your reading is correct.

You didn't get both sides of the story before you jumped on the "Come on my property and I'll blow you away for no other reason" line of thinking. And it's wrong.

Forever_frost. You are wrong.

But it begs the question, how do you know you're more qualified than I am when it comes to firearms? You clearly show a lack of proper thinking when it comes to their use. IMO, that makes me far more qualified than you.

[Silverback]

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.


I'm going to go with 3 a and 3 b.

how so, there was no risk of death or bodily injury (B), and if he was doing nothing more than riding a dirt bike on your land, how can you justify (A)?

[Forever_frost]

oh and i agree that mike was wrong for riding thru anyone's property on a motorcycle.

But shooting someone for doing so is a bit overboard, and mentally handicap or not, i'm sure you'd still go to jail for doing so.

cutting through a yard or property does not prove any criminal intent or property theft, if you shoot him, make sure you put a lawn gnome in his arms or something, so when the cops show up you can say he took it from you.

I may go to jail, but then there'd be a trial and I'm willing to roll the dice. You ignore the signs, you pay the price

[347Mike]

Jesus fucking Christ.. Some of you people are mind blowing.. None of you would do jack shit.. Some of you really do live in a fantasy world.

Omfg! Someone rode within a foot of my yard!!! I better not confront them rationally I should blow them to smithereens!! They violated my rights and it's my right to protect my property! Who knows what that mans intentions were!!

None of you would do a god damn thing.. Some of you people need to visit something called reality.. Warren Buffett couldn't fund the amount of ammo needed to shoot every person who uninvited stepped on my yard..

Christ.....