Democracy: So Much For The Afterglow

[TEAMJACOB]

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[BERNIE MOSFET]

Why have government anymore? It is obvious to me that the idea of government controlling and policing the population just doesn't work. The government institution creates nothing but animosity towards the people in power and the classes it creates due to taxation.

Why not be a true free market, where everything is owned by someone or some company. Roads, electricity, gas, whatever you can think of, can be owned by companies and we would pay as we do today. The government interfers with this type of business all the time, but maybe they need to police themselves. Each sector would have their own council responsible for making sure each companies business practices are fair and has the power to disolve a company if it does not conform. If two companies want to merge, the council has to approve.

Obviously you have to find out how to pay for law enforcement, and you would still have to have some type of judicial system.

But beyond all that, everyone can do what they choose to do. We pretty much already do anyways, except the goverment always has their greedy hands in the whole damn mess.

Who runs the council? The businesses? It sounds like fracturing big government regulations into autonomous micro-governments, but worse: oligarchic manifestations whose constituents ultimately become the businesses they would feign to regulate on the People's behalf.

[mstng86]

Who runs the council? The businesses? It sounds like fracturing big government regulations into autonomous micro-governments, but worse: oligarchic manifestations whose constituents ultimately become the businesses they would feign to regulate on the People's behalf.

Stop using big words!! LOL

I am not saying that is the perfect way to do it. Just a mere idea of how to get the big government out of our lives and still have our normal day to day lives.

Whats your suggestion, sir?

[Hobie]

Democracy is doing fine among our species, but our nation may be struggling with division.

All major media outlets are consolidated into the hands of a few who are pushing an agenda to aid the bottom lines of the various companies they hold, the truth be damned. That's part of the problem. We've got these few corporate giants funneling money to politicians while using their propaganda wings to shape "our" view in order to further their profits. The political process has been hijacked by special interests.

I just posted this article in the political forum. - It's about the division in our current political culture.

link to article;

http://thisorth.at/7q4k

link to thread (contains entire article) if you feel like contributing

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16753

[Denny]

Democracy is doing fine among our species, but our nation may be struggling with division.

All major media outlets are consolidated into the hands of a few who are pushing an agenda to aid the bottom lines of the various companies they hold, the truth be damned. That's part of the problem. We've got these few corporate giants funneling money to politicians while using their propaganda wings to shape "our" view in order to further their profits. The political process has been hijacked by special interests.

I just posted this article in the political forum. - It's about the division in our current political culture.

link to article;

http://thisorth.at/7q4k

link to thread (contains entire article) if you feel like contributing
http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16753

Abso-freaking-lutely!

[Hobie]

I believe the spark that lights the fire will come from the undeniable proof that intelligent life does exist beyond our solar system and the realization that governments formed or based on a religion no longer have any substance.

A society that has been indoctrinated with the belief that we are the "only ones" is doomed from the beginning. The idea that we are special in this vast universe is horribly naive and downright selfish.

Once people can accept that we are not unique maybe then can your society begin to take shape tailsman. But then again you still have to deal with that pesky problem that humans, by nature, are greedy.

As I was falling asleep the other night I was reading a dialogue some sort of scientist (surely someone will know who I'm talking about - worked for the gov't, maybe NASA, had some clearances, I think he was an atomic physicist, now sort of a UFO nut) was holding on another board.

What you're saying in that opening paragraph, he said something very similar. If a major gov't were to acknowledge ET life many people would go to churches, young people would come together ignoring racial/national divisions, markets would be chaotic, and governments would lose control.

[46Tbird]

One of the fundamental concepts in thermodynamics is Entropy.

In any closed system, natural process tend to go from ordered to disordered.

All that you have said is true. There will be chaos and anarchy as our closed systems (land, economy, resources, etc) move toward disorder.

The only salvation is a new system. That's the concept that gets the preppers jazzed up. And why scientists are looking to colonize Mars. That's why post-revolution America was successful, why post-WWII America exploded and why the west was settled ("Go West, Young Man"). That's why the religious look forward to Heaven.

The problem isn't government, or greed, or anything like that. It's that our system has run its course. Time for a new system.

[talisman]

I really don't think the confirmation of alien life would have much impact on us, or religion, unless they actually came down in a saucer and said "Take me to your leader." The Theologists will just say the aliens were created by which ever god they ascribe to, everyone will say "He works in mysterious ways," and that will be that.

It's only that bad if you make it out to be that bad. Over all, I'm happy and feel secure, and the same goes for my family and close friends. Bad things happen, whether you worry about them or not. I choose to have a positive outlook on life and to see the good things around me. I'll leave the worry and negativity to you guys. Good luck with all that!

Despite the impression many people are under, I have a very positive outlook on life. However, watching society and the minor cracks that have started appearing in the last 5 or 6 years has led my to the conclusion that we are operating in a system that will at one point ultimately fail, and very possibly in our life time. That isn't the end of the world. Every country that has ever been THE superpower in the entire course of human history has fallen, and it will happen to us sooner or later. It isn't cause for alarm, it is cause for celebrating the birth of something better that we are currently evolving towards.

I'm a planner. I plan ahead like you wouldn't believe, which is why I breeze through my job like nothing phases me. I see things 7 steps before they happen, adjust for them, and then when all hell breaks loose everything is prepared. This is what I do. I look at every situation that is important in life from every possible angle that I think is relevant to form a conclusion about it. Sometimes I can argue a position against the position I'm for better than the person who is trying to argue it against me. I don't know how I do it, I just do. We're witnessing something, the first steps of what can only lead to an eventual reckoning with our system of government. Whether it will continue to operate as a highly altered democracy or something new all together remains to be seen. I intend to be there to help push it off the edge.

Universal Truth:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This isn't a call to democracy, it's a call to ANY repeal of oppressive government. The document that inadvertently calls for the creation of our government also gives us the right to destroy it in the pursuit of something better. This document is beyond genius, however, the thought of over throwing the US Government would usually be interpreted as treason. Why is this? It is by definition what the very creators of it DEMANDED our right to do as a species.

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Stop using big words!! LOL

I am not saying that is the perfect way to do it. Just a mere idea of how to get the big government out of our lives and still have our normal day to day lives.

Whats your suggestion, sir?

LMAO! I like $10 words.

I've wrestled with this for a long time now. And, I'd like to say that I've come up with a good answer to it all, but the more I dig, the more I realize how confounding the whole thing is. It's depressing, really.

On the one hand, I absolutely despise the idea of government involved in anything business related. On the other, there are areas where we have benefited as a society from regulations. Primarily, safety. My point of reference is from my occupation - I found a niche where the regulations are so cumbersome to small and medium sized businesses that we sell our services to help get FAA approval on aviation projects. But they serve a purpose and provide me a unique opportunity for employment, of all things.

My argument against the same Title 14 regulations I work with is that from a business standpoint, and with the advent of pervasive social media connectivity, it is business suicide to make mistakes in engineering, maintenance, and operations. Crashes happen, but have enough of them and you get a nasty reputation. Federal regulations imposed to prevent lapses in safety are redundant, even ancillary, to the implications of some business failing to uphold the same assumed standard of safety, except that there is then clear legal basis for filing suit and showing negligence. It's not enough that the business should fail because people would ultimately seek alternatives - but that the business could fail because people would seek severe civil penalties. The all-mighty dollar speaks.

My problem is that our government doesn't only seek to protect us but, in a sense, to sell us services themselves. They've become both government and business. In terms of entitlements, we all get pissy because, whereas some pay in for diminished return of service, others pay nothing and receive more than they are due. Our sense of fairness from a financial perspective is violated by this - not our sense of altruism. Americans donate money freely to those in need. I like the social safety-net concept, but the federal and state implementation is unjust. It's no surprise that people who pay in with little to no return feel this way.

Entitlements and regulations are one thing, but I'm more irritated about the federal government using tax codes and fiscal policies to influence business practices, and more importantly, the undue influence individual income taxes have on private citizens. Combined, it's back-door social and behavioral legislation with no checks and balances, run by thugs, and backed by legal resources that are difficult for the average citizen to overcome. This is the crux of the matter for me, and perhaps many others. Because of businesses becoming complicit with tax regulations to withhold taxes from checks, often more than actual tax burden, most people are forced to file returns to get their money back. There is no choice to not pay. We are slaves to our government because of this, first and foremost, and cannot leverage our own purse strings against those who make policies against us.

Secondly, because of the practice of tax incentives for business, the door becomes wide open for all sorts of abuse and we end up paying for it all. Our tax burden doesn't just include our personal income taxes, but that of business income taxes as well - subject to whatever incentives and fiscal polices our government contrives.

so forth, and so on... I don't know all the particulars, but my guess is that a major step in the right direction is complete tax code reformation, if not revocation.

[talisman]

Democracy is doing fine among our species, but our nation may be struggling with division.

All major media outlets are consolidated into the hands of a few who are pushing an agenda to aid the bottom lines of the various companies they hold, the truth be damned. That's part of the problem. We've got these few corporate giants funneling money to politicians while using their propaganda wings to shape "our" view in order to further their profits. The political process has been hijacked by special interests.

I just posted this article in the political forum. - It's about the division in our current political culture.

link to article;

http://thisorth.at/7q4k

link to thread (contains entire article) if you feel like contributing
http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16753

EXCELLENT article.