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    By LEONARD PITTS JR., Miami Herald
    From our wire services

    This all started with Rodney King.

    More to the point, it started with a plumber named George Holliday. Had he not been video recording from his balcony, that night in 1991 might have been business as usual for L.A. police who struck King, a harmless drunk, 50 times with their batons, breaking his leg, his cheekbone and his skull. Had Holliday not captured video proof to the contrary, they might have gotten away with some lame excuse: oops, he slipped on the stairs.

    But thanks to Holliday's camera, we all knew better.

    Twenty years later, cameras have become ubiquitous. They have captured entertainer meltdowns, crashes, tasings, deaths and a seemingly endless carnival of police misbehavior: questionable beatings, controversial shootings and unprovoked violence by those we hire to protect and to serve.

    Perhaps not surprisingly, many police now identify cameras as the enemy.

    Last week, news photographer Phil Datz was arrested on Long Island for videotaping a police action on a public street. In June, a man named Narces Benoit said Miami Beach Police pulled him from his car by his hair, handcuffed him and stomped his cellphone (which police deny) after he used it to record video of a fatal police shooting. In May, a woman named Emily Good was arrested for recording a traffic stop from her own front yard in Rochester, N.Y. In March, a Las Vegas man was beaten and arrested for videotaping police from his own driveway. In March of last year, a motorcyclist was arrested for recording his own traffic stop on a Maryland highway.

    According to a 2010 report on the technology blog Gizmodo, at least three states have made it illegal to record an on-duty officer. Other states use existing wiretapping laws to support their arrests, a novel and selective interpretation of those statutes. What makes it novel is that such laws are typically invoked when telephone conversations are recorded; they require that both parties are aware of, and approve, the recording. What makes it selective is that one never hears of people being roughed up and arrested for recording videos that flatter the police.

    The only thing more outrageous than the behavior is the excuses used to justify it. One of the cops in Rochester claimed, obviously for the benefit of the camera, that he did not feel "safe" with Emily Good recording him. Miami Beach Police claimed they confiscated videos only to safeguard the evidence.

    Oh, please.

    That stench you smell is the reek of official hypocrisy. Because the same police who so violently and vividly resist being recorded in the performance of their duties have no compunction about using the same technology against you and me, from the speed camera that catches you when you go flying through the school zone to the new gizmo that reads your license plate and checks for warrants.

    If it is OK for police to use cameras to catch us in our misdeeds, why is it not OK for us to use cameras to catch police in theirs?

    There is something chilling and totalitarian about this insistence that cops have the right to do as they wish without what amounts to public oversight. What is it they fear? After all, the officer who is being videotaped can protect himself by doing one simple thing:

    His job.



    Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...#ixzz1UYBWWP36
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  • #2
    Originally posted by cobra#2885 View Post

    There is something chilling and totalitarian about this insistence that cops have the right to do as they wish without what amounts to public oversight. What is it they fear? After all, the officer who is being videotaped can protect himself by doing one simple thing:

    His job.



    Read more: http://lancasteronline.com/article/l...#ixzz1UYBWWP36

    Cameras have done more good to dispel citizen complaints than any other tool.

    Whereas IAD always looked at the officer for being guilty of the alleged misconduct, video/audio has exhonerated officers since it's inception.

    More often than not, when I get a complaint about an officer on a traffic stop, when I pull the tape, the citizen complaint is unfounded.

    The most common policy violation caught on tape would have to be pursuit violations. Every chase is recorded, and we have a policy that if you don't have working video, you don't get involved in one.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
      More often than not, when I get a complaint about an officer on a traffic stop, when I pull the tape, the citizen complaint is unfounded.
      That's because they don't destroy the evidence that helps them.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by line-em-up View Post
        That's because they don't destroy the evidence that helps them.
        Supervisors keep the keys to the video boxes. I'm not wasting 20 years for destroying evidence. If you think that, you are smoking crack.

        Why protect a 3 year officer when I am only 5 years away from being elegible for retirement? He screwed up, not me.

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        • #5
          Good article.

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          • #6
            So Matt, having read the original post...what is your take on people being arrested, beaten, cameras smashed, and jailed for filming police during traffic stops or other activities while on the job? You know it happens...gotta wonder why people feel the need to record the stuff.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ram57ta View Post
              So Matt, having read the original post...what is your take on people being arrested, beaten, cameras smashed, and jailed for filming police during traffic stops or other activities while on the job? You know it happens...gotta wonder why people feel the need to record the stuff.
              It's bullshit. I don't see how a law like not being able to video tape police was passed in the first place.


              If you are a professional doing a professional job, video away!


              One place that you can't video, and it's to protect the establishment, is delivery rooms. If they screw up, they don't want it on tape. I think that is BS also.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                It's bullshit. I don't see how a law like not being able to video tape police was passed in the first place.


                If you are a professional doing a professional job, video away!


                One place that you can't video, and it's to protect the establishment, is delivery rooms. If they screw up, they don't want it on tape. I think that is BS also.
                just a quick question, what about surveillance cameras that just so happen to catch police activity? would that fall under the guidelines of not being able to video an officer?
                first class white trash

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by forbes View Post
                  just a quick question, what about surveillance cameras that just so happen to catch police activity? would that fall under the guidelines of not being able to video an officer?
                  I was also wondering about that. I'd be willing to bet money that at some point a homeowner or business owner somewhere has been told to hand over or delete video or fear a beating or arrest...with no warrant, illegal search, etc.

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                  • #10
                    If the police are in a public place I think it is absolutely silly that it can be a crime to film / video them. If there is no expectation of privacy then it should be legal. You can film any other Joe Blow on the street, why not cops. Of course, that is assuming the person filming is out of he way and not getting involved whatsoever.

                    And the cops arresting or otherwise harassing those filming should be delt with by their supervision.

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                    • #11
                      I wish I still had it..but several years ago Dallas PD stopped a suspected robbery suspect in front of Trees in Deep Ellum while Pimpadelic was letting out and as expected there was a huge crowd on the sidewalk. I was filming on the sidewalk with a camcorder and a Dallas cop approached me and told me to turn off the camera or he'd arrest me for interfering with a police investigation and for loitering. I wanted to tell him to fuck off but for my own safety decided not to.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chili View Post
                        You can film any other Joe Blow on the street, why not cops. Of course, that is assuming the person filming is out of he way and not getting involved whatsoever.
                        You and I are on the same page when it come to this debate, but I believe we both know that if the Gestapo wants to to stop video taping it doesn't matter if you are on your property or whatever, they will do WHATEVER they want to, video or no video.
                        Originally posted by Silverback
                        Look all you want, she can't find anyone else who treats her as bad as I do, and I keep her self esteem so low, she wouldn't think twice about going anywhere else.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rick Modena View Post
                          You and I are on the same page when it come to this debate, but I believe we both know that if the Gestapo wants to to stop video taping it doesn't matter if you are on your porperty or whatever, they will do WHATEVER they want to, video or no video.
                          As evidenced in the cases mentioned in the OP. I agree that there will always be cops that will do whatever they feel like doing, regardless of the law. But I have a particular problem with cities / states passing laws that reinforce that behavior with no better reason that protecting the city / state's ass on liability claims.

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                          • #14
                            I posted in this thread.

                            Stevo
                            Originally posted by SSMAN
                            ...Welcome to the land of "Fuck it". No body cares, and if they do, no body cares.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by forbes View Post
                              just a quick question, what about surveillance cameras that just so happen to catch police activity? would that fall under the guidelines of not being able to video an officer?
                              Texas does not have this law, so I'm not sure how it would apply. I'm sure there is going to be plenty of case law generated and the courts will have to make an interpretation.

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