Fullerton PD beat homeless man to death.

[Steve]

I'm not arguing any of this, but I am questioning the original reason for contact. Was he breaking into cars or not? Some info says he was, and that he had the fruit of the crime in his backpack.

Is that true or not?

You should have been a lawyer rather than a cop with the way you will argue until you are blue in the face. Haven't you figured out by now no matter what you say here, you will not change others perceptions of law enforcement all on your own? Besides, if you were a lawyer no one would bitch about being crooked, it's expected of lawyers.

[03trubluGT]

You should have been a lawyer rather than a cop with the way you will argue until you are blue in the face. Haven't you figured out by now no matter what you say here, you will not change others perceptions of law enforcement all on your own? Besides, if you were a lawyer no one would bitch about being crooked, it's expected of lawyers.

This is just pure entertainment. Once I join an FTP thread, its a guaranteed 4+ pager. These folks just can't understand it, but it's continuing fun. Like feeding the animals at the zoo.

[SS Junk]

This is just pure entertainment. Once I join an FTP thread, its a guaranteed 4+ pager. These folks just can't understand it, but it's continuing fun. Like feeding the animals at the zoo.

Quoted for the next time you start crying in a thread.

FLIPPITTY FLOPPIE!

[03trubluGT]

Quoted for the next time you start crying in a thread.

FLIPPITTY FLOPPIE!

From what I've heard, it sounds like you are the resident expert in that field.

[SS Junk]

Considering the source I'm sure you should believe every word of it.

[03trubluGT]

Considering the source I'm sure you should believe every word of it.

You know you are just helping the coming of page 6?

[Steve]

From what I've heard, it sounds like you are the resident expert in that field.

Clearly you can see why he got his ass kicked by a couple of old school members here and then ran away out of the state to talk shit. LMAO!

[SS Junk]

You know you are just helping the coming of page 6?

I don't think I've ever cared about interweb message board notoriety, however I will extend my congratulations. Are you going to put on your high heels and lip gloss to celebrate?

[03trubluGT]

I don't think I've ever cared about interweb message board notoriety, however I will extend my congratulations. Are you going to put on your high heels and lip gloss to celebrate?

Man, you are a riot!

[03trubluGT]

All joking aside, I use the stuff posted in this forum to provide teachable material to the 12 officers I have assigned to me.

This place is a great place to put my finger on the pulse of the general public, even though it is a tad skewed coming from a car enthusiast site.

My most senior officer has 5 years experience, and the least has about 2.5.

I use these examples as pretty much "what not to do", and to instill some maturity and compassion into the job. Having a plethora of bad examples for them to look at can be a good thing for them to see. I don't want them making the same mistakes that we see other officers doing.

[Steve]

All joking aside, I use the stuff posted in this forum to provide teachable material to the 12 officers I have assigned to me.

This place is a great place to put my finger on the pulse of the general public, even though it is a tad skewed coming from a car enthusiast site.

My most senior officer has 5 years experience, and the least has about 2.5.

I use these examples as pretty much "what not to do", and to instill some maturity and compassion into the job. Having a plethora of bad examples for them to look at can be a good thing for them to see. I don't want them making the same mistakes that we see other officers doing.

I'm a big cop supporter, not a member of the FTP Club by any means. I think its a near impossible job you guys do day in and day out. Dealing with people that are having the worst days of their lives and you're pushed right in the middle of it. So I understand why alot of officers are jaded and downright asshole types most of the time.

I train with a few Garland officers and help coach them teaching them BJJ control tactics. So I get a good insight to officers really are and how much they vary from person to person, just like anyone else.

From my experience with them, it's typically the rookies who are a couple of years in who are pissed off the job isn't like what they thought it was going to be like. Most are all pumped up thinking it was constant adrenaline filled days, when on the contrary they're stuck on the same beats everyday, dealing with the same problem family domestic calls over and over, and getting lied straight to their faces every day with all the usual BS traffic stuff, possession issues. Then to add to that, they are finding their cities don't back them up in todays suing society. The city much rather seperate themselves from an officer when a claim has been made against them rather than back them up. Even for $100k a year, that job isn't worth all the BS, let alone much lower pay. It's a miserable existance to live everyday.



If I were to suggest just one thing to new officers, it would be to drop the attitude problem/chip on the shoulder/tough guy thing. It just makes people more defensive and uncomfortable therfor only making the officers job more difficult. Relax, smile and put people at ease when talking to them. You'll get a much better response that. WAY too many officers seem to forget it's their job and not personal.

[03trubluGT]

I'm a big cop supporter, not a member of the FTP Club by any means. I think its a near impossible job you guys do day in and day out. Dealing with people that are having the worst days of their lives and you're pushed right in the middle of it. So I understand why alot of officers are jaded and downright asshole types most of the time.

I train with a few Garland officers and help coach them teaching them BJJ control tactics. So I get a good insight to officers really are and how much they vary from person to person, just like anyone else.

From my experience with them, it's typically the rookies who are a couple of years in who are pissed off the job isn't like what they thought it was going to be like. Most are all pumped up thinking it was constant adrenaline filled days, when on the contrary they're stuck on the same beats everyday, dealing with the same problem family domestic calls over and over, and getting lied straight to their faces every day with all the usual BS traffic stuff, possession issues. Then to add to that, they are finding their cities don't back them up in todays suing society. The city much rather seperate themselves from an officer when a claim has been made against them rather than back them up. Even for $100k a year, that job isn't worth all the BS, let alone much lower pay. It's a miserable existance to live everyday.



If I were to suggest just one thing to new officers, it would be to drop the attitude problem/chip on the shoulder/tough guy thing. It just makes people more defensive and uncomfortable therfor only making the officers job more difficult. Relax, smile and put people at ease when talking to them. You'll get a much better response that. WAY too many officers seem to forget it's their job and not personal.

I like your perspective, it's pretty damn accurate.

I do think that frustration adds to the problems. The fact that we can't really "fix" anything adds to this. All we do is throw band-aids on situations, because we don't have the time, resources, or abilities to fix root problems like I would like to.

One should never abuse the authority granted. If you ever have to reply with "because I said so", you've just lost the argument.

[SS Junk]

I'm a big cop supporte

I like your perspective

Man... after reading all that I am more than motivated to go out and by a Chrysler product!

[MutherjuggZ]

I'm not arguing any of this, but I am questioning the original reason for contact. Was he breaking into cars or not? Some info says he was, and that he had the fruit of the crime in his backpack.

Is that true or not?

You nor I will NEVER know because it has escalated to such a degree that it has to be handled differently now than if they had just arrested the guy peacefully.


From what I've read, which is all spoon fed media stuff, they got a call that someone was breaking into cars... they show up and see him sitting nearby and approach him for questioning at which point he took off running as they were approaching.... which spurred a short foot chase that ended with him on the ground and quickly getting his face smashed into a curb. Backup arrived and threw in a few kicks/punches/tazes for good measure since he was fighting back. I personally think at that point he was fighting for his life and when they couldn't get him to be still (aka quit fighting for his life) they kept on until he quit moving ... then the guy died.


I honestly think he was guilty of SOMETHING or he wouldn't have tried to run. ALL of that, however, went out the door the very minute the guilty actions of the officers outweighed his POSSIBLE guilty actions of being in possession of stolen property and trying to out run the police.

Now let me ask this....

If he was 100000% guilty of breaking into cars, trying to evade police, and resist arrest... does that make this sort of this okay? When is enough ... ENOUGH? What are the rules on this sort of thing... do they have a "only beat them half to death" sort of clause in employee handbooks?

[Steve]

I like your perspective, it's pretty damn accurate.

I do think that frustration adds to the problems. The fact that we can't really "fix" anything adds to this. All we do is throw band-aids on situations, because we don't have the time, resources, or abilities to fix root problems like I would like to.

One should never abuse the authority granted. If you ever have to reply with "because I said so", you've just lost the argument.

It helps that I trained with officers and listen to what they had to say. When we're at the gym training, they can talk about their jobs with an open perspective. Not many people get a chance to talk to an officer when they are away from their job.

Strangely enough with all the officers I know and train with, I still haven't gone out on a ride along. But just from listening to them tell their stories and the things that trouble them as people (and not a cop) you can really see the things they are conflict with on a daily basis. It's a hard, thankless job most of the time where the ultimate cost for a mistake at their job is loss of life, not just getting written up or fired.

Cops are heros, even the asshole ones. I grew up in L.A dealing with the L.A.P.D. Those guys make the asshole here in DFW look like a loving hug from Mom. Being the only white kid in a gang infested black neighborhood, I'd get stopped and shaken down by cops all the time thinking I was in the neighborhood to buy drugs rather than someone who dared to live there.

Still with all the harrassment, manhandling and downright abuse from several cops, I still never lost my respect for cops because of an early experience I had in life.

We came home from the drive-in's late one night about 2am, I was about 5 or 6 years old. I went straight back into my room and crawled into bed exhausted. I remember laying there in my bed and seeing the closet door cracked open in my pitch dark bedroom just staring at it. Moments later the door burst open and a guy jumped out of it who had a gun, he ran down the hallway into the livingroom and out the front door. The cops were called and I remember being scared to death and hearing the cops coming down the street. The first officer showed up, gun drawn and started searching the house. But I knew when the officer was there, everything was going to be ok. He came and protected us putting his own life at risk going into the house not knowing if there was anyone else in there. While we were running out of the house, he was going in. He didn't know us from the man on the moon, but he still did it without thinking twice.

When he came back out, he was very nice and concerned about us kids. He picked me up, gave me a hug and told me everything was going to be ok then put me in his car with a blanket. I remember believing him when he said we were safe, so safe in fact I fell asleep again in the passenger seat of his squad car.

That event has always stuck with me when it comes to officers. I respect and admire officers, even when I've had some unpleasant experiences with some not so nice officers. But it's never been enough to override knowing that any time or place, if you call someone in blue will come help you no matter what.

/end of my sappy story. lol.