Fullerton PD beat homeless man to death.

[Sean88gt]

I see it not as punishment, but as a tool to keep someone off the streets while I look into his alleged misconduct. If I have someone out there with no ethics or moral character, why would I want them on the street dealing with other people while I look into it?

Sean, you and I both know that accountability would not have stopped this. Just like it doesn't stop people from killing people when they know the death penalty is alive and well.

Forbes, you should probably quit while you think you are ahead. How long have you been in law enforcement?

I realize that. These officers are clearly problems with Judge Dredd syndrome. They should have been removed prior to this. My point was that this type of interaction seems to be happening more, the us/them thought gap is continually spreading.

[forbes]

Just like anyone else, they are afforded due process. Their time will come. So, did you avoid my question?

your question has nothing to do with this topic, just a tactic to try show your superiority over some one else as you hide behind a badge and clam to be the all knowing.
i agree their time will come, but they should wait in jail on a high bond like anyone else till due process.
as for my experience, i learned from some very good officers/ det./ d.a's in my family,
i actually wanted to be a highway patrol like most the people in my family.

[03trubluGT]

Ill go if Adam doesn't!

Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but I'm trying to convert the enemy!

[03trubluGT]

your question has nothing to do with this topic, just a tactic to try show your superiority over some one else as you hide behind a badge and clam to be the all knowing.
i agree their time will come, but they should wait in jail on a high bond like anyone else till due process.
as for my experience, i learned from some very good officers/ det./ d.a's in my family,
i actually wanted to be a highway patrol like most the people in my family.

Ninja please....

It shows that I've seen both sides of the process, where you have only seen what the news and internet have spoon fed you. You've never seen the brutality of violence up close, but proclaim you know what's best for society.

I'm not hiding. If I was, I would have never started involvement in discussions like this several years ago. I'd like to work with the community instead of the old "us vs. them" attitude. If you can't see that, you are as blind as a bat. Pull your head out of the sand and see that I'm trying to work with people.

[Rreemo]

I will agree to some extent.

Back then you didn't go around testing LEOs because you KNEW you would get your ass kicked and there was no large settlement to be had.

My Dad was DPD through most of the 60's....some of the stories he's told are pretty crazy....like it being the norm for all officers to carry "drop knives". Life was much different then...much more simple....there weren't cameras everywhere, cell phones or much less cell phones with cameras....the story was always told after the fact.

[03trubluGT]

I realize that. These officers are clearly problems with Judge Dredd syndrome. They should have been removed prior to this. My point was that this type of interaction seems to be happening more, the us/them thought gap is continually spreading.

Like has been said before, the cell phones and internet have exposed this like never before.

The funny thing is that people feel safe to video tape police. Why aren't any crimes like murder caught by witnesses in cases not involving police? I'll tell you why, because there is some salvageable relationship still there. Like it or not, I believe that the police and community can work together, it's just a matter of educating both sides.

[03trubluGT]

My Dad was DPD through most of the 60's....some of the stories he's told are pretty crazy....like it being the norm for all officers to carry "drop knives". Life was much different then...much more simple....there weren't cameras everywhere, cell phones or much less cell phones with cameras....the story was always told after the fact.

Is he what you would characterize as a "bad apple"??

[forbes]

Ninja please....

It shows that I've seen both sides of the process, where you have only seen what the news and internet have spoon fed you. You've never seen the brutality of violence up close, but proclaim you know what's best for society.

I'm not hiding. If I was, I would have never started involvement in discussions like this several years ago. I'd like to work with the community instead of the old "us vs. them" attitude. If you can't see that, you are as blind as a bat. Pull your head out of the sand and see that I'm trying to work with people.

if your really doing that, then congrats on being a good officer. hate to bust your whole " there are only a few bad apples" argument. but there are less of you "good officers" out there anymore. as an example of a good cop. my wife broke down in addison with my daughter. i was in fl. and he gave her a ride to plano. as i said they are out there, but not enough for me to say i trust what the system machine has become. i profile you guys just you like you guys do me. everytime i drive my truck with a worker (generally mexican) and get pulled over, it turns into wanting to search my truck.

[forbes]

Like has been said before, the cell phones and internet have exposed this like never before.

The funny thing is that people feel safe to video tape police. Why aren't any crimes like murder caught by witnesses in cases not involving police? I'll tell you why, because there is some salvageable relationship still there. Like it or not, I believe that the police and community can work together, it's just a matter of educating both sides.

that is probably the one thing i can agree with that you have posted in this thread.

[SouthernSVT]

While there is some accountability, police under investigation are treated much less harshly then others. Also their punishments are much less severe, and they are usually given benefit of doubt unless it is so obvious that there is no way out of it. If this was a group of construction workers who beat a homeless guy to death, for any reason, they would be incarcerated awaiting trial for murder right now. Innocent until proven guilty would be thrown out the window as usual, so a lawyer prosecuting the construction workers would only need to prove that this most likely accured. While on the other hand the prosecuting lawyer will have his hands full trying to prove without any kind of doubt that these cops murdered someone. Finally if they are convicted, they will be fired and spend a little time in jail, rather than the life sentence that the rest of us would receive.

I know there are good cops out there, and they have a hard job to do. They are very much needed in society, and do keep alot of bad people off of the streets. It does seem though, that there is way too many that aren't deserving of the badge they receive. Those officers make it so that alot of people hate all cops, and the good ones get mixed in with the rest. Of course even most of the bad cops aren't running around killing homeless people. It's gotten to the point that even people like my mom, who has never been in trouble in her life, has a very bad opinion of police. It also seems that if you're doing something that you aren't supposed to, no matter if it's just something small, the cops are all over it. But when you actually need one to help you, they are no-where to be found.

[03trubluGT]

if your really doing that, then congrats on being a good officer. hate to bust your whole " there are only a few bad apples" argument. but there are less of you "good officers" out there anymore. as an example of a good cop. my wife broke down in addison with my daughter. i was in fl. and he gave her a ride to plano. as i said they are out there, but not enough for me to say i trust what the system machine has become. i profile you guys just you like you guys do me. everytime i drive my truck with a worker (generally mexican) and get pulled over, it turns into wanting to search my truck.

There are a lot more than you think. Just ask Craig or Leah. They have both been on ride-ins and I'm sure that they have gotten to seen how their sponsor officer and the other officers act.

Last Sunday I was getting onto I20 westbound at Hulen. I saw a blur approaching in the inside lane at about 120 mph. I picked up my handheld radar and turned it on. As the car passed me, it saw me and slammed on the brakes. I had time to grab the radar, cycle it on and still tag him at 96 in a 60 zone. When I stopped him he new exactly why, and I wrote the ticket for 84 in a 60 so he could take defensive driving.

I'm a firm believer in compassion in policing. There is no reason to throw the book at everybody at every chance. Sure, there are times to go for the throat, but each situation needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

[Steve]

There are a lot more than you think. Just ask Craig or Leah. They have both been on ride-ins and I'm sure that they have gotten to seen how their sponsor officer and the other officers act.

Last Sunday I was getting onto I20 westbound at Hulen. I saw a blur approaching in the inside lane at about 120 mph. I picked up my handheld radar and turned it on. As the car passed me, it saw me and slammed on the brakes. I had time to grab the radar, cycle it on and still tag him at 96 in a 60 zone. When I stopped him he new exactly why, and I wrote the ticket for 84 in a 60 so he could take defensive driving.

I'm a firm believer in compassion in policing. There is no reason to throw the book at everybody at every chance. Sure, there are times to go for the throat, but each situation needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

I wish they taught that at the academy so that all these 5 year or less rookies didn't have such an attitude problem.

[forbes]

There are a lot more than you think. Just ask Craig or Leah. They have both been on ride-ins and I'm sure that they have gotten to seen how their sponsor officer and the other officers act.

Last Sunday I was getting onto I20 westbound at Hulen. I saw a blur approaching in the inside lane at about 120 mph. I picked up my handheld radar and turned it on. As the car passed me, it saw me and slammed on the brakes. I had time to grab the radar, cycle it on and still tag him at 96 in a 60 zone. When I stopped him he new exactly why, and I wrote the ticket for 84 in a 60 so he could take defensive driving.

I'm a firm believer in compassion in policing. There is no reason to throw the book at everybody at every chance. Sure, there are times to go for the throat, but each situation needs to be handled on a case-by-case basis.

so you lied on a piece of evidence that you are providing to the court as truth? ok. now i'm that i'm just being ass, don't get all worked up. my bro n law is a det at tcu. i have gotten plenty of first hand experience in setting up cameras for sex offenders and etc. i have been on many ride alongs with my family. your job is tough, i will admit that. but it seems more often than not, when i get pulled over with a worker (as stated above) it turns into wanting to search my truck and then me not giving them permission and (well you know the routine) does it happen when i'm alone? nope. and my workers have been with me for over 8 years. they are family to me. they all have keys to my house, take my kids to places etc etc. you have to give me this even though we haven't agreed ed on much. there is alot (especially new to the force cops) that walk around with a "hall monitor" attitude that can make a persons day go bad and they get off on it.

[Rick Modena]

Shhhh, don't tell anyone, but I'm trying to convert the enemy!

You'll never, ever change the perspective of Adam, AL P, Marty, me and few others who have witnessed police brutality up close and personal. It has nothing to do with respecting the law, it has to do with people acting like human beings with morals and most of your brotherhood doesn't have the decency to act accordingly. Big brother is watching you now and the tape doesn't lie, you can sit here all day and pump up your badge but in the end your actions vs the actions of the regular joe are not on the same playing field.

[03trubluGT]

so you lied on a piece of evidence that you are providing to the court as truth? ok. now i'm that i'm just being ass, don't get all worked up. my bro n law is a det at tcu. i have gotten plenty of first hand experience in setting up cameras for sex offenders and etc. i have been on many ride alongs with my family. your job is tough, i will admit that. but it seems more often than not, when i get pulled over with a worker (as stated above) it turns into wanting to search my truck and then me not giving them permission and (well you know the routine) does it happen when i'm alone? nope. and my workers have been with me for over 8 years. they are family to me. they all have keys to my house, take my kids to places etc etc. you have to give me this even though we haven't agreed ed on much. there is alot (especially new to the force cops) that walk around with a "hall monitor" attitude that can make a persons day go bad and they get off on it.

I wrote on the ticket "checked at 96", but in the violation box I wrote 84. I have that discretion, but it always goes in favor of the violator.

Policing is an art that takes time and maturity to be "good" at. I'm sure all of your friends will agree.