Fullerton PD beat homeless man to death.

[03trubluGT]

When there are 5 cops around, with an unarmed bum, don't you think 1 would be enough? One with the taser, another 2 or so ready to jump on the guy and put him in cuffs once the pulses stop. I admit, I don't know much about how the taser works, but I do know that electricity can pass from one body to another if the circuit is completed, so they have to wait until the taser stops.

Two capable officers should have been able to effect the arrest using the minimum amount of force necessary. You have to remember that in the past, an officer had to meet minimum physical requirements. Since we are all touchy/feely, the police have to hire 5'4" men weighing 135 lbs that cannot bench their own body weight. Or, since there are no physical requirements after hire, that they let themselves go. When you are tasked with a job, it is my belief that you should be physically able to do it. A lot of officers rely on tools to do the job for them, when in fact you have to maintain a readyness to go hands-on. And no, you don't have to wait until the Taser stops, just don't get in the circuit.

So shitty training is to blame here. Am I reading that correctly?

Without seeing exactly what happened, I would have to guess so. In high stress situations, you resort to training, and if you have no or poor training, you do whatever you have been trained to do in the past. If you have good training to fall back on, then one normally does whatever is protocol.

Fact, police beat an unarmed homeless man to death. Extenuating circumstances or not, it's going to be difficult, almost impossible (IMO) to show how that was justified.

I have a hard time believing that a professional officer would do something like this. If it fact it happened like portrayed, then the officer(s) should be held fully accountable.

If it's so common, you'd think that someone in the training departments would come up with an effective training measure to assure that things like this don't happen.

Why do people keep committing murder? Why do people give into the temptation for drugs? Why do people cheat on their spouse? Humans are by nature fallible. People are going to make mistakes, and training only tries to show the accepted way of doing things and minimize the risk of injuries to the offender and officer. It will never be able to negate any mistakes. Also, there is no way to select the 100% perfect police candidate every time.

I don't have a problem with inexperience unless it causes undue harm to someone. We all make mistakes, but by and large, 99.75% of the population here in the US will go straight to jail if they did this. But the .25% that happen to be certified law officers get the investigation before they even get fired, let alone taken to jail. (this being: beat a man to death, and the police know who did it, and have a legal document about the incident)

I never said I like this any more than you. I can tell you this, if it does happen, I sure want a more complete and thorough investigation so that the bad officer can be fired and have ZERO chance to get his job back.



I agree wholeheartedly, but I take issue in the fact that they should/are trained not to do these kinds of things, yet it still happens. Something is wrong, either with the mindset of the officers, the training, or the system in general. The solutions are to either change the mindset, train better, or revamp the system. What do you think would be the best course of action to keep these things from happening?

Answers in bold, except to the last paragraph:

If I knew how to fix the problem, I'd be an instructor going to every PD and implementing a training program. I'd also be driving a Ferrari and live in a $5.6mil house. The problem is that we are trying to mold an imperfect human being into a perfect robot. Human nature by nature is fallible. There is a book called the Bible that has a lot of great examples. I used to be a Field Training Officer and I used to think that if I had done the background on the people the academy was sending me to train, I would not have let 95% of them in.

You never know what a person is made of deep down inside.

Hell, I trained this guy and would have never thought he would have done this:

Cop Slaps Butt

Officer accused in slapping case
By DEANNA BOYD
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

CRAIG MURRAH FORT WORTH -- A Fort Worth police officer was arrested Wednesday on allegations that he slapped the rear of a woman whom he had caught engaging in sexual conduct in a car in Oakhurst Park in June.

Officer Craig Murrah, who has been with the department since 2001, turned himself in to fugitive officers on a warrant for official oppression, a Class A misdemeanor punishable by up to two years in a county jail and a $4,000 fine.

He was released after posting $1,000 bail.

Wes Ball, Murrah's attorney, did not return phone messages left at his Arlington office Wednesday afternoon.

According to a news release from the Police Department, the incident occurred about 1 a.m. June 22 after Murrah found a couple engaging in sexual conduct inside a vehicle at the park at 2300 Daisy Lane in north Fort Worth.

The officer directed the couple out of the car. The 18-year-old woman, nude from the waist down, was placed in the back of Murrah's patrol car, the release said. Sometime during the investigation, Murrah allegedly slapped the woman on the rear, the release said.

The woman said the officer let the couple go with only a warning.

The woman told her boyfriend what the officer had done, prompting him to call 911, the release said.

An internal investigation found sufficient evidence to support the woman's claims, and an arrest warrant was issued for the officer, the release said.

Murrah, 37, has been placed on restricted duty pending a review of the case by the Tarrant County district attorney's office. He could be suspended without pay if he is indicted.

[SS Junk]

Got the guts to just come out and say it?

Absolutely!

Will he end up like the pic on the first page?

I think he smarter than that.

Actually, I am not sure.

Officer,

Go ahead and describe in great detail exactly what you would do if I were "just come out and say it..."

[racrguy]

I never said I like this any more than you. I can tell you this, if it does happen, I sure want a more complete and thorough investigation so that the bad officer can be fired and have ZERO chance to get his job back.

I don't have an issue with a single thing you said with exception to this. These officers, if they did what they did, should go to prison for murder, and the officers that were around that let it happen and knew what was going on should go to prison as an accessory.

[Big A]

and the officers that were around that let it happen and knew what was going on should go to prison as an accessory.

Witnessing a murder does not make you an accesory, whether you try and stop it or not, unless it happens while you are in the process of commiting a felony.

[Denny]

Witnessing a murder does not make you an accesory, whether you try and stop it or not, unless it happens while you are in the process of commiting a felony.

They're police officers. Dereliction of duty is a mofo. Remember, they've taken an oath.

[03trubluGT]

Absolutely!


I think he smarter than that.

Actually, I am not sure.

Officer,

Go ahead and describe in great detail exactly what you would do if I were "just come out and say it..."

That guy in the pic would look like he had a hang nail compared to what you would look like!

[Denny]

That guy in the pic would look like he had a hang nail compared to what you would look like!

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!!!

Youtube that bitch!!!

[03trubluGT]

I don't have an issue with a single thing you said with exception to this. These officers, if they did what they did, should go to prison for murder, and the officers that were around that let it happen and knew what was going on should go to prison as an accessory.

I was thinking in general, and not this specific case. Sure, they should go to prison for whatever Joe Citizen would, plus the official oppression charge.

If you recall, when the Rodney King officers were acquitted criminally, the Feds stepped in and filed FCR violation cases.

Nobody here takes into account that only police officers get to suffer double jeopardy. How many times do you see Joe Citizen get acquitted for murder and then face federal charges?

[03trubluGT]

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!!!!

Youtube that bitch!!!

Jack in the Box in 15 minutes bitches!

[Denny]

Jack in the Box in 15 minutes bitches!

You buy the tacos afterwards... and outside of Ft. Worth, please.

[racrguy]

Witnessing a murder does not make you an accesory, whether you try and stop it or not, unless it happens while you are in the process of commiting a felony.

Perhaps aiding and abetting is a more accurate term.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000002----000-.html

[Rick Modena]

lol

[racrguy]

You buy the tacos afterwards... and outside of Ft. Worth, please.

Don't forget about outside any counties that Fort Worth falls in. He can still bust you in those counties.

[Denny]

Don't forget about outside any counties that Fort Worth falls in. He can still bust you in those counties.

I just want him away from his friends. His commission is for the State of Texas, just through the Ft. Worth municipality.

[SS Junk]

That guy in the pic would look like he had a hang nail compared to what you would look like!

I'd slap the freckles right off your face, gingerbread. Then nothing like a po-lice brutality suit to take care of that pension you keep bragging about!