Fullerton PD beat homeless man to death.

[03trubluGT]

This line of thinking is what makes you a good cop, so long as you apply it in the feild as well.

I'm curious, should the officers be found guilty, what do you think their punishment should be?

Immediate dissmisal? Time without pay? Jail/prison time?

In FTW, it would be termination upon indictment.

I think they should be treated harsher than anyone else, but within the same sentencing guidlines.

[Big A]

In FTW, it would be termination upon indictment.

I think they should be treated harsher than anyone else, but within the same sentencing guidlines.

Good, but expected answer. Just making sure.

Too bad we can't treat politicians that abuse their power the same.

[stevo]

Define "paid suspension".

Maybe you need to pay attention to who you are quoting, and what they are discussing. I was commenting on the story in the link Al provided:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-inquiry-reveals-violations-in-arrest-beating-of-videographer-126438953.html

Posted: Jul. 29, 2011 | 8:08 p.m.
Updated: Jul. 30, 2011 | 7:18 a.m.

A Las Vegas police officer under investigation for the videotaped beating of a man in March violated several Metropolitan Police Department policies, an internal investigation found.

Mitchell Crooks' complaint about officer Derek Colling's excessive force was sustained, Deputy Chief Gary Schofield said Friday.

The specific policy violations will not be released until the case is finalized.

Crooks, 36, received a letter from the Internal Affairs Bureau notifying him of the findings earlier this week.

He said he was pleasantly surprised.

"It seems like they're saying he was guilty, which is what I've been saying," Crooks said. "I really hope he gets fired."

Colling has been on paid suspension since April 1.

Multiple supervisors in Colling's chain of command will review the internal affairs report and decide his punishment, if any, Schofield said.

That review could take several weeks.

If Colling's supervisors recommend his firing, he will go before a pre-termination board for a final appeal. The harshest punishment short of firing is a 40-hour unpaid suspension.

Crooks' lawyer, David Otto, intends to sue Colling and the Police Department.

Otto wrote a letter in April to Sheriff Douglas Gillespie demanding $500,000 to cover Crooks' medical care, pain and suffering. The Police Department has not paid anything, he said.

He intends to send another letter to Gillespie.

"Mr. Sheriff, show us the difference between what the officers did to Mitchell Crooks that night and kidnapping, beating and robbery," Otto said.

On the night of March 20, Crooks, 36, was in his driveway, near East Desert Inn Road and South Maryland Parkway, videotaping police as they investigated a burglary report across the street. Crooks said that when he refused to stop filming, Colling arrested and beat him, with much of the altercation recorded by the camera.

The video went viral on the Internet, and local activists and national "cop watch" blogs scrutiznized Colling's actions.

Local American Civil Liberties Union lawyer Allen Lichtenstein reviewed the video and found clear policy violations.

"It raises serious questions about whether the officer used good judgment and whether he was properly trained," Lichtenstein said. "Those questions require answers."

Rank-and-file officers who spoke to the Review-Journal after the incident were as demoralized as the public was incensed.

"The majority of us think Colling made a mistake," one patrol officer said. "All the officers I talked to understand that citizens will see this video, and yeah, we know it looks bad."

Neither Crooks nor Colling was a stranger to controversy.

Colling has been involved in two fatal shootings in his 5½ years as a Las Vegas police officer.

In 2006, he and four other officers shot Shawn Jacob Collins after the 43-year-old man pulled a gun at an east valley gas station.

In 2009, Colling shot and killed Tanner Chamberlain, a mentally ill 15-year-old who was holding a knife at his mother's neck and waving it at officers.

Both shootings were ruled justified by Clark County coroner's juries.

Chamberlain's mother, Evie Oquendo, sued Colling and the Police Department in May.

When the lawsuit was filed, Oquendo's lawyer asked why Colling was still working as an officer.

"He's killed two people in 5½ years and beaten one guy up that we know of," Brent Bryson said.

Did you make that earlier post before you were drunk?

Is that your crutch you fall back on every time?

preface: I'm a bit drunk, so forgive my wall of useless but maybe entertaining text.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...&postcount=121

And it seems you also need to work on your skills on developing a timeline.

Is that really the reason you post in every FTP thread?

And here it is, the usual bullshit, the "omg, why are you a cop hater" bullshit, the same ol' tired shit you have tried to label every person on this forum that is critical of crooked cops. Let me ask YOU this: Why do you have to pop YOUR nose in every thread that mentions corrupt cops? Guilty conscious?

Stevo

[SS Junk]

Fuck a ginger bread man and fuck the po-lice.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I love police brutality. If that happened to one of my relatives, those cops wouldn't make it to pension time.

[Big A]

And here it is, the usual bullshit, the "omg, why are you a cop hater" bullshit, the same ol' tired shit you have tried to label every person on this forum that is critical of crooked cops. Let me ask YOU this: Why do you have to pop YOUR nose in every thread that mentions corrupt cops? Guilty conscious?

Stevo

You have never had even an ambivalent word to say about law enforcement, your posts are usually quite caustic in nature when discussing such threads, and as a third party bystander, you come across to me as a "cop hater." Just sayin'.

To his defense, I think that any one of us would feel the need to respond to a thread about our chosen, or even given profession, positive or negative, because it's what we do all day every day.

You speak about what you know, that's why we have sub-forums.

[Big A]

I love police brutality. If that happened to one of my relatives, those cops wouldn't make it to pension time.

Rational thought, have one.

[03trubluGT]

Maybe you need to pay attention to who you are quoting, and what they are discussing. I was commenting on the story in the link Al provided:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-inquiry-reveals-violations-in-arrest-beating-of-videographer-126438953.html

And it seems you also need to work on your skills on developing a timeline.


And here it is, the usual bullshit, the "omg, why are you a cop hater" bullshit, the same ol' tired shit you have tried to label every person on this forum that is critical of crooked cops. Let me ask YOU this: Why do you have to pop YOUR nose in every thread that mentions corrupt cops? Guilty conscious?

Stevo

No shit. Its easy to make you look like an ass.

1. "Paid suspension" could mean that he is on restricted duty, i.e. doing bullshit clerical work without a badge/gun. I doubt any department just gives someone a paid month off while investigating misconduct.

2. So you just take a drink and immediately you are drunk? You aren't like the rest of us and work up to it?

3. Sure. I'm dirty. I beat the hell out of everyone and take dope/valuables to sell.

I don't have to justify to you, or anyone else the reason for replying to ANY thread on this forum newb.

[03trubluGT]

Fuck a ginger bread man and fuck the po-lice.

Care to dismiss the innuendo?

[stevo]

All I see is "blah blah same ol' shit blah blah holier than thou blah blah".

Find some new material.

And learn how to multi-quote.

Stevo

[03trubluGT]

All I see is "blah blah same ol' shit blah blah holier than thou blah blah".

Find some new material.

And learn how to multi-quote.

Stevo

Too drunk to argue?

Or is it my material stands on its own merit?

[racrguy]

Did you download the Taser and count the activations? Was it the same Taser or multiple Tasers?

Just because some ignorant person in the crowd says he was Tased 5 times, doesn't mean it really happened.

When there are 5 cops around, with an unarmed bum, don't you think 1 would be enough? One with the taser, another 2 or so ready to jump on the guy and put him in cuffs once the pulses stop. I admit, I don't know much about how the taser works, but I do know that electricity can pass from one body to another if the circuit is completed, so they have to wait until the taser stops.

I'm not saying the treatment because of the inexperience is justified, just a root cause. Not every cop acts the same, how many people have come on here saying Jewozzy, TannerM, Treadhead, GE, Osirus, or myself have treated them badly, or think any of us would?

So shitty training is to blame here. Am I reading that correctly?

I do believe the circumstantial evidence can paint the picture, but that's not how we convict. It is based on the totality of the circumstances, not just sound bytes and tidbits.

Fact, police beat an unarmed homeless man to death. Extenuating circumstances or not, it's going to be difficult, almost impossible (IMO) to show how that was justified.

It still happens, IMHO, because of a lack of training and self confidence. People who lack the confidence commonly use excessive force, it's a FACT.

If it's so common, you'd think that someone in the training departments would come up with an effective training measure to assure that things like this don't happen.

The bottom line is that old heads retire, and new officers replace them. The newer officers go through a learning curve and make mistakes. Sometimes they end up on Youtube.

I don't have a problem with inexperience unless it causes undue harm to someone. We all make mistakes, but by and large, 99.75% of the population here in the US will go straight to jail if they did this. But the .25% that happen to be certified law officers get the investigation before they even get fired, let alone taken to jail. (this being: beat a man to death, and the police know who did it, and have a legal document about the incident)

ANY treatment of this is intolerable and should be prosecuted, but it will continue to happen because we are dealing with people, not robots.

I agree wholeheartedly, but I take issue in the fact that they should/are trained not to do these kinds of things, yet it still happens. Something is wrong, either with the mindset of the officers, the training, or the system in general. The solutions are to either change the mindset, train better, or revamp the system. What do you think would be the best course of action to keep these things from happening?

[SS Junk]

Care to dismiss the innuendo?

No.

[03trubluGT]

No.

Got the guts to just come out and say it?

[Denny]

Got the guts to just come out and say it?

Will he end up like the pic on the first page?