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  • Originally posted by Steve View Post
    It only takes a couple of minutes to sign up. If you watch the ideo it will make you think twice about possibly defending those animals.

    One of the officers was charged with 2nd degree murder and another with involuntary manslaughter.
    You really need to go back and look at some of my posts if you think I'm anywhere near defending these jokers.

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    • Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
      You really need to go back and look at some of my posts if you think I'm anywhere near defending these jokers.
      I said possibly defending.

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      • Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
        Exactly.

        I've had to step in a couple of times, but nothing like this. I'll even give my example of the closest I've ever come to beating someone to a pulp.

        September 9, 2001 a car chase came from the northside into downtown. The officer was chasing a 1 ton van that was stolen. They were south on Henderson and hauling ass. The officer was alone, so I joined in. We went down by the hospitals and then west on Rosedale. This was a Sunday if I remember right. The traffic was light, but the driver was doing about 70 down W. Rosedale.

        We came to the light at 8th Avenue and he ran the red light. He t-boned a guy going north in a Honda Accord. He hit the Accord so hard the van flipped up on its nose and the rear bumper almost hit the signal light. The van came to a rest sliding west on its driver's side. The Accord just took the impact and slid to the northwest. I could tell as I slowed to a stop the Honda driver was dead by just looking at him. I focused on the van and the driver started climbing out of a window. As I grabbed his bloody ass (from all the glass) I handcuffed him and drug him over to the Accord. I made him look at what he did and it was all I could do to contain my rage.

        That was one of the hardest tests of self control I have ever had.
        Matt, that Honda was behind me on Eighth that day. I was the guy in the red 2k GT that helped pry the door open on the Accord. That likely would have been me in that intersection had I not been speeding away from the hospital pissed off because of a weekend call out. That dude was just on his way to see his little girls soccer game.
        I remember that the kid who stole the van was pretty bloody when y'all were taking him back to the squad car. I always wonder what happened to him...
        Last edited by Samhain; 05-09-2012, 10:16 AM.
        Originally posted by Broncojohnny
        Would you like your reparations in 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

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        • Fuller pd puts homeless people to sleep......its what they do......
          .....bro....

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          • Originally posted by A+ View Post
            Fuller pd puts homeless people to sleep......its what they do......
            "What wheels are on the cruiser, officer?"
            Ded

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            • Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View Post
              Exactly...it's the 99% of bad officers that make the good 1% look bad. Seriously...do you honestly think any of us would trust you to admit how screwed up LEOs can be? The biggest problem isn't with the 75% that do a proper job 80% of the time, it's with the protection of their own corrupt and lack of punishment.
              Not even that, it is the blind defense of the actions of the shitty cops. Not only by the city but the other cops and the police officer's union. Here is a good one:




              By Rob Stafford and Katy Smyser, NBCChicago.com

              On a sunny day in July of 2006, Rennie Simmons was out doing his job.

              Despite suffering a stroke three years earlier that left him with a noticeable limp, Simmons continued to work at his long-time job at the Chicago Water Department. His job that day in July was to deliver a bright-orange notice to a resident on Chicago’s south side, warning that his water would be cut off if he did not make arrangements to pay an overdue bill.

              Simmons pulled up in his car, then walked up to the front of the house to deliver the notice. The resident, Glenn Evans, saw him and met him at the front stairs.

              "He pushed me and said, 'Get off my porch,'" Simmons recalled.

              Simmons retreated to car, but he said Evans followed him and then attacked.

              "He was beating me, choking me," said Simmons. "I said, 'I can’t breathe. I can’t breathe! I’m a stroke patient! I’m a stroke patient!’ And he finally let me go."

              Simmons called 911 from his car, and Chicago police officers arrived soon after. They got out their handcuffs, and they put them on Simmons.

              "I said, 'Why are you putting me in the car and not [Evans]?’ They said, 'Because he’s our boss. He’s a lieutenant.’ I said, 'He’s off-duty, though.' They said, ‘He’s never off-duty.'"

              In fact, Evans was a veteran tactical officer -- claiming that Simmons had threatened and shoved him. Simmons stood firm.

              "He’s lying," he told the police.

              Documents in the case posted by NBCChicago.com

              Nevertheless, he was booked and charged with battery against Evans. The case went to Cook County Criminal Court, where Judge Adam Bourgeois found Simmons not guilty. He even admonished Evans: "Lieutenant, there is a lot I can say this morning, but I’m going to hold my tongue. The State has failed to meet its burden. The next time you pick somebody to come in here as a witness, make sure they lie a little better."

              Simmons filed a complaint against Lt. Evans with the police department’s Office of Professional Standards, which was the agency -- at the time -- that handled citizen complaints.

              That complaint was not sustained, meaning that OPS determined there was no evidence of wrongdoing by Evans. Simmons also filed a civil lawsuit against the City of Chicago, Evans, and others, alleging that Evans had falsely arrested him to cover up his beating. In that case, the city admitted no wrongdoing, but did eventually pay Simmons $99,999.00 to settle the case.

              The complaint was neither the first nor the last one to be filed against Evans, who remains on the force today, collecting a six-figure salary as a tactical lieutenant, most recently stationed at the 6th district in Chicago’s Auburn-Gresham neighborhood on the south side.

              The Unit 5 Investigative team along with The Chicago Reporter magazine, found that Evans is a member of a small group of officers who have been repeatedly accused of police brutality and misconduct, and the city has paid millions of tax dollars to settle claims against them.

              "Nobody knows who the repeat offenders are, because the names are kept under wraps," said Angela Caputo, wrote the cover story for The Chicago Reporter’s May/June, 2012 issue.

              State law and the Chicago police union contract require that Chicago policemen who are accused of brutality and misconduct be protected from identification unless a victim signs a sworn affidavit and the police officer is ultimately found guilty by the Chicago Police Board and the Chicago Police Superintendent.

              A federal appeals court in November 2009 dismissed a court order that would have revealed the names of 662 police officers with 10 or more abuse complaints.

              But Caputo was able to uncover some names of these "repeaters" by digging through more than four hundred lawsuits -- filed primarily as civil rights cases in U.S. District Court -- over the past decade. In all, she found, the city paid out more than $45 million in the three years from 2009 through 2011 for all settlements and judgments involving police brutality and misconduct.

              Her findings on officers who were repeatedly accused of brutality show that payments for these "repeaters" are significant:

              Of 441 police misconduct lawsuits that led to city payments between January 2009 and November 2011, Caputo’s article states, nearly a third -- or 145 -- involved "repeaters." This small group -- 140 in all -- proved costly. Despite making up one percent of the police force, they accounted for more than a quarter -- or $11.7 million -- of all damage payments incurred from police misconduct lawsuits. The city defended a good number of those officers in additional cases as well; nearly a third of the 140 officers were named in at least five misconduct lawsuits since 2000."

              In the case of Evans, Unit 5 found five lawsuits filed over the past decade which accuse him of police brutality. Two cases are still pending, but three were settled by the city, although -- once again -- it admitted no wrongdoing in any of those cases.

              One of those settled cases involved a 24-year-old man named Cordell Simmons (no relation to Rennie), a community college student with a long history of marijuana-related arrests. Cordell Simmons was arrested for marijuana possession in June of 2007 and taken to the Chicago Police Department’s 6th district at 78th and Halsted, where he crossed paths with Evans.

              According to the police report detailing his arrest, Cordell Simmons kicked Evans in the legs. Then -- according to Cordell Simmons’ court complaint -- officers pulled off his pants and shoes, and held him down while Lt. Evans "…Taser[ed] [him] in the groin, under his testicles."

              The complaint goes on to say that Cordell Simmons rolled on to his stomach in agony, and Lt. Evans shot him a second time with the Taser gun, in his rectum.

              That court case was eventually settled by the city, which admitted no culpability but paid Cordell Simmons $19,000.00.

              So does the City of Chicago or the Chicago Police department have any way to keep track of officers -- like Lt. Evans -- who are repeatedly accused of brutality or misconduct?

              The answer is complicated, because there is a series of steps required to get a formal complaint on the record against a police officer in Chicago. A victim must sign a formal affidavit with the Independent Police Review Authority -- IPRA-- which is the city agency charged with investigating police officers.

              Chicago police union rules and state law prohibit IPRA from launching a complete investigation until that formal affidavit gets filed. So even if a victim of police brutality files a lawsuit in federal court, IPRA can’t launch a full investigation into the accusations.

              IPRA does monitor these kinds of lawsuits, but Caputo and The Chicago Reporter found that 91 percent of the suits monitored by IPRA were tagged "no affidavit" -- meaning that they were closed because the plaintiff never came in to sign a sworn statement.

              Rennie Simmons’ complaint was filed before IPRA was created. It came in to existence, in large part, because of a push by several citizens' groups: The agency charged with investigating Chicago police, they said, should be completely independent of the Chicago Police department.

              While IPRA is charged with investigating citizen complaints, it can only make recommendations for discipline. The ultimate decision to discipline or fire a Chicago police officer rests with the Chicago Police Superintendent and the Chicago Police Board.

              Since September of 2007, when Ilana Rosenzweig became chief investigator at IPRA, IPRA has recommend that sixty officers be "separated" -- or fired -- from the Chicago Police Department. Thirty-eight of those cases are pending.

              Of the 22 that have gone through the entire review process, the Chicago Police Board found one of those officers not guilty (because the key witness ultimately refused to cooperate); two officers resigned; and the remaining 19 were fired.

              For Simmons, though, it all comes down to the fact that Evans is still on the job as a lieutenant with the Chicago Police Department.

              "I’m doing my job, and he’s still there?" Simmons said. "There is something wrong. There’s something wrong."
              Originally posted by racrguy
              What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
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                Originally posted by 03trubluGT
                Your opinion is what sucks.
                You are too stupied and arrogant

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                • Wow. It's really hard not to judge all cops based on the actions of many. Not a few, many.
                  www.allforoneroofing.com

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                  • Originally posted by Samhain View Post
                    Matt, that Honda was behind me on Eighth that day. I was the guy in the red 2k GT that helped pry the door open on the Accord. That likely would have been me in that intersection had I not been speeding away from the hospital pissed off because of a weekend call out. That dude was just on his way to see his little girls soccer game.
                    I remember that the kid who stole the van was pretty bloody when y'all were taking him back to the squad car. I always wonder what happened to him...
                    That seems impossible. It is truly a small world.

                    That kid was bloody due to the van rolling and all the flying glass, but I didn't care. Did you see me march him up to the Accord?

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                    • Originally posted by Broncojohnny View Post
                      Not even that, it is the blind defense of the actions of the shitty cops..........
                      And you are surprised that this article is about Chicago????

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                      • Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View Post
                        Exactly...it's the 99% of bad officers that make the good 1% look bad. Seriously...do you honestly think any of us would trust you to admit how screwed up LEOs can be? The biggest problem isn't with the 75% that do a proper job 80% of the time, it's with the protection of their own corrupt and lack of punishment.
                        So, what is the number of bad officers?





                        Another thing that gets me about this ordeal is that the guy is "mentally ill" but his family allows him to be homeless. During his assault, he calls for his dad, the same guy that allows him to survive on the streets. And then this "model father" says that the bond is low because of the brutality of the crime? What a joke. He was a LEO, he knows how the system works.

                        Unfortunately I watched the video, and the victim doesn't seem too "mentally ill" to me. At first he is able to carry on an intelligent conversation with the "officer" (read: POS) and cries out that he can't breath in perfectly articulated English.

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                        • Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                          Did you see me march him up to the Accord?
                          I don't recall that detail. I just remember the Honda facing the intersection and one of the officers put the white/purple sheet over the drivers head. It took me a while to realize he was gone. I didn't notice until later that I had cut my hand open while helping yanking on the passenger door. Surreal is the only way I could describe it.

                          What all was that kid charged with?
                          Last edited by Samhain; 05-09-2012, 06:44 PM.
                          Originally posted by Broncojohnny
                          Would you like your reparations in 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

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                          • Originally posted by unkoricky View Post
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                            Wow, those are some serious injuries to that officer!


                            I personally like the two bottom photos. I hope they get to wear those pajamas for a long time.

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                            • if i was a juror and saw the piss, shit and blood on the ground.... I wouldnt need to hear anything else.

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                              • Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
                                And you are surprised that this article is about Chicago????
                                No, I'm suprised that people won't speak up against their supposedly "professional" co-workers. You can skip your anecdotal evidence to the contrary, too. No one here cares any more.
                                Originally posted by racrguy
                                What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
                                Originally posted by racrguy
                                Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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