Fullerton PD beat homeless man to death.

[Big A]

but, but, but... What if he had been in a fight before they arrived, getting beat mostly to death, and the cops arrived as he was wallowing in pain. They tazered him to finish him off as an act of kindness, and put him out of his misery.

I am by no means anti-law enforcement, but I am just not seeing how this could not be anything but police brutality.

[Broncojohnny]

On a different but related note, this guy here is in serious jeopardy... he could be fired or *GASP* he may just get 40 hours of unpaid suspension! I wonder if they threatened to give him a spanking too:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-inquiry-reveals-violations-in-arrest-beating-of-videographer-126438953.html

[Broncojohnny]

I THINK if it was bad enough that I had to start videoing it because I thought someone else should see it.... then I would like to think that I would yell at the cops or something...
hopefully I never have to find out for sure

I have seen a lady whoopin up on her kid in the middle of a store (more then just discipline, more smacking him on the head and stuff.. it was bad enough that everyone was watching as they walked by but wouldn't say anything.) and I said something to her but she wasn't a cop either... so I don't honestly know how I would handle a situation with a cop doing the beating.

They'll just make up something to charge you with and arrest you too. Failure to ID, disorderly conduct, etc. They do it all the time.

[2165 Turbo Rail]

They'll just make up something to charge you with and arrest you too. Failure to ID, disorderly conduct, etc. They do it all the time.

this is probably true but at least I know I tried to help.
I saw a guy flip his truck on i-30 one time while I was on my way back to work from lunch. he was going east bound and I was west bound. I stopped, got out of my truck and was across the highway and beside his truck before he realized that he was upside down.

I don't do it because I want to be a hero, I was just raised that you help people when they are in trouble, period

paying it forward I guess because I would want the closest person to help me if I needed it.

[stevo]

On a different but related note, this guy here is in serious jeopardy... he could be fired or *GASP* he may just get 40 hours of unpaid suspension! I wonder if they threatened to give him a spanking too:

http://www.lvrj.com/news/police-inqu...126438953.html

Well, so far he has got a four month paid vacation for being a crooked cop, and unless they fire him, he will get a week of unpaid vacation as punishment at the worst.

It is a shame that everyone who commits aggravated assault doesn't get punishment like that.

Stevo

[big_tiger]

By the things he was screaming, the guy was nuts, and I can see how he could have been resisting. The problem is when they are resisting/going crazy police use MORE force, which majority of the time ends up in MORE resisting.

Maybe the cops need something that can knock you out, but not with fist, batons, tasers, and guns??? How about chloroform? (worked for Casey)

[03trubluGT]

Well, so far he has got a four month paid vacation for being a crooked cop, and unless they fire him, he will get a week of unpaid vacation as punishment at the worst.

It is a shame that everyone who commits aggravated assault doesn't get punishment like that.

Stevo

Define "paid suspension".

[racrguy]

By the things he was screaming, the guy was nuts, and I can see how he could have been resisting. The problem is when they are resisting/going crazy police use MORE force, which majority of the time ends up in MORE resisting.

Maybe the cops need something that can knock you out, but not with fist, batons, tasers, and guns??? How about chloroform? (worked for Casey)

They already have this, it's called a taser. It says in the video he was tased 5 times already, You'd figure that someone could get on him right after the last pulse hit to get him in cuffs. Instead they decide to beat this guy to death.

Matt, I understand that you like to tote the line, but they were wrong. Plain and simple, cut and dry. There is no excuse for what happened to him, and using their inexperience as a cop out is lame, IMO. Because of their inexperience they beat this man to death, and deserve a pass and to chalk it up as a learning experience. I don't follow the logic. Regardless if someone has 2 years, or 20 years on the force, some things are inexcusable.

Regardless of how many did nothing to violate the public's trust. It's still casts a shadow over the entire bunch. And the more it happens, the more distrust will be instilled. And it's not about legalities either, if some people perceive their rights were violated, or saw what they thought was someone else's rights being violated, they're going to distrust police, and spread the word of their distrust by telling their side of the story to others and the cycle will perpetuate. If nothing else was shown of this story other than the picture, it's still enough for me to come to the conclusion that excessive force was used. The police complained for a long time that they didn't have the tools they needed to prevent bodily injury while attempting to arrest resisting parties. Now they have it in the form of a taser, yet these kinds of things are still happening.

Again, I'm not saying that you are doing it, just that it is still happening, even after the police have gotten what they've asked for. There can only be two possible conclusions 1) They didn't ask for the right tools 2) There is a flaw somewhere in the system that allows people to think they can do this sort of thing. Adrenaline/Nerves are NOT the answer. When I get out of my race car after a guy has driven dirty I don't want to beat him to death.

[onemeangixxer7502]

This kind of shit infuriates me to no end. Resisting or not, there is absolutely no reason to beat a man that bad short of him having a weapon of some sorts. I don't want to hear the same old line about how "these are a few bad apples." It seems as though as we go further on down the road, the actually good cops are the "few good apples" and the rest are just fuckwads with an ego trip. Sure, all cops are nice to your face, but when put in situations where they have to make judgment calls like this, or ones that involve your rights it seems that more and more often they're going with the mantra of "fuck your rights, I'm going to do what I want."

And the good cops wonder why the general populace hates ALL police officers.



Sometimes you just reach the point where you have to cut people loose and leave them to their own devices. Shitty, but that's the way it is.

Edit: Or maybe he wanted to live like that, and refused help from his parents.

thats stupid, the only reason you dont hear about the good ones is because it isn't good news and doesn't get the ratings.

[Big A]

thats stupid, the only reason you dont hear about the good ones is because it isn't good news and doesn't get the ratings.

Extremely good/extraordinary behavior makes for good ratings, but good cops are just being good people, and doing good at their job.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease, while the others keep performing as expected. That goes for any profession.

[Pro88LX]

I hope this was caught on one of the officer's dash cam. It would put to rest all of the speculation that is going on up to this point. It sure makes me wonder of all the cell phones out there, why didn't this one capture ANY of the assault?

People cast out their own family that has gotten to some breaking point, and then when this happens, are happy to sue the city/police for harming the perfect little angel. It happened in FTW with Michael Jacobs.



I'll say it for the 4,943,241 time. I'd bet this is a result from 1)young, 2)inexperienced and 3)under trained officers that lack confidence. There are approximately 800,000 sworn officers in the US and on July 5th, 2011, about 799,995 did nothing to violate the public's trust. I know that's a stretch, but you get my point.



That video was a bunch of nothing. I could hear a guy yelling "dad", but did you hear anything else? No sounds of a scuffle? What bothers me is you don't hear any officer's verbal commands. There is no reason to use strikes if the person is not complying, and you can't comply if you aren't told what to do.

I sure hope there is conclusive video somewhere to either exonerate or condemn these officers.

[03trubluGT]

I didn't make a single comment other than one on the picture I posted.

I guess should have made one on your tirade about young/inexperienced/undertrained officers being the bulk cause of these issues and the assumption that older/experienced/hull-trained cops never do this stuff, apparently....

But I won't, since the only thing that will happen after this thread hits 4-5 pages is you will break down after getting your ass handed to you time and time again, and then start claiming you only answer in these threads to piss off/push buttons/annoy people. It isn't worth wasting the energy in my fingers to type it.

Stevo

Did you make that earlier post before you were drunk?

Is that your crutch you fall back on every time?

preface: I'm a bit drunk, so forgive my wall of useless but maybe entertaining text.

http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/showpost.php?p=338666&postcount=121

Is that really the reason you post in every FTP thread?

[03trubluGT]

They already have this, it's called a taser. It says in the video he was tased 5 times already, You'd figure that someone could get on him right after the last pulse hit to get him in cuffs. Instead they decide to beat this guy to death.

Matt, I understand that you like to tote the line, but they were wrong. Plain and simple, cut and dry. There is no excuse for what happened to him, and using their inexperience as a cop out is lame, IMO. Because of their inexperience they beat this man to death, and deserve a pass and to chalk it up as a learning experience. I don't follow the logic. Regardless if someone has 2 years, or 20 years on the force, some things are inexcusable.

Regardless of how many did nothing to violate the public's trust. It's still casts a shadow over the entire bunch. And the more it happens, the more distrust will be instilled. And it's not about legalities either, if some people perceive their rights were violated, or saw what they thought was someone else's rights being violated, they're going to distrust police, and spread the word of their distrust by telling their side of the story to others and the cycle will perpetuate. If nothing else was shown of this story other than the picture, it's still enough for me to come to the conclusion that excessive force was used. The police complained for a long time that they didn't have the tools they needed to prevent bodily injury while attempting to arrest resisting parties. Now they have it in the form of a taser, yet these kinds of things are still happening.

Again, I'm not saying that you are doing it, just that it is still happening, even after the police have gotten what they've asked for. There can only be two possible conclusions 1) They didn't ask for the right tools 2) There is a flaw somewhere in the system that allows people to think they can do this sort of thing. Adrenaline/Nerves are NOT the answer. When I get out of my race car after a guy has driven dirty I don't want to beat him to death.

Did you download the Taser and count the activations? Was it the same Taser or multiple Tasers?

Just because some ignorant person in the crowd says he was Tased 5 times, doesn't mean it really happened.

I'm not saying the treatment because of the inexperience is justified, just a root cause. Not every cop acts the same, how many people have come on here saying Jewozzy, TannerM, Treadhead, GE, Osirus, or myself have treated them badly, or think any of us would?

I do believe the circumstantial evidence can paint the picture, but that's not how we convict. It is based on the totality of the circumstances, not just sound bytes and tidbits.

It still happens, IMHO, because of a lack of training and self confidence. People who lack the confidence commonly use excessive force, it's a FACT.

The bottom line is that old heads retire, and new officers replace them. The newer officers go through a learning curve and make mistakes. Sometimes they end up on Youtube.

ANY treatment of this is intolerable and should be prosecuted, but it will continue to happen because we are dealing with people, not robots.

[347Mike]

ANY treatment of this is intolerable and should be prosecuted, but it will continue to happen because we are dealing with people, not robots.

Yeah, were all humans but there is also something called qualifications. Killing someone cause you beat them til they look like this guy did is not an accident.

[Big A]

Did you download the Taser and count the activations? Was it the same Taser or multiple Tasers?

Just because some ignorant person in the crowd says he was Tased 5 times, doesn't mean it really happened.

I'm not saying the treatment because of the inexperience is justified, just a root cause. Not every cop acts the same, how many people have come on here saying Jewozzy, TannerM, Treadhead, GE, Osirus, or myself have treated them badly, or think any of us would?

I do believe the circumstantial evidence can paint the picture, but that's not how we convict. It is based on the totality of the circumstances, not just sound bytes and tidbits.

It still happens, IMHO, because of a lack of training and self confidence. People who lack the confidence commonly use excessive force, it's a FACT.

The bottom line is that old heads retire, and new officers replace them. The newer officers go through a learning curve and make mistakes. Sometimes they end up on Youtube.

ANY treatment of this is intolerable and should be prosecuted, but it will continue to happen because we are dealing with people, not robots.

This line of thinking is what makes you a good cop, so long as you apply it in the feild as well.

I'm curious, should the officers be found guilty, what do you think their punishment should be?

Immediate dissmisal? Time without pay? Jail/prison time?