Jumping Jehoshaphat! Wut in tarnation is this world coming to? (Nice Title Edit Mods)

[Steve]

i can't find a problem here with the mothers sentencing, other than she should have gotten the full extent of punishment for her crime. She killed her son, not the driver.

the driver should get whatever the proper punishment for 3rd dwi, and hit/run charge would be. He's not responsible for the manslaughter, which is worse than a 3rd dwi+hit/run combination imo.

Sure, he MIGHT have done worse without the sudden wake-up call, but that's not how the cards fell on this one.

Ridiculous. Maybe if she saw the car coming and then shoved the kid in front of it, but not for just crossing the street. There is no way she could have known there was a drunk driver coming down the road who if he had not been drinking and fully aware of his senses and driving, could have avoided this.

DUI laws are not tough enough, that is all too obvious. It should be jail the FIRST time and not this candy ass fine and probation bullshit. There is NO REASON that it is ever ok to drink and drive. I know there is alot of drinkers on this board who regularly go out to drinking GTGs, go out for a drink or two and think it is ok to drive home because they "only had two", but it's complete bullshit.

If you're an responsible adult, plan ahead or drink responsibily. Have a DD or stop drinking and wait long enough you are no longer under the influence. If you don't like to sit around and wait, taking a fucking cab or don't drink in public.

Anyone who drinks and drive deserves to go to jail.

/jumps off soap box.

[TENGRAM]

It does matter:


If she did that, she does not have the right of way. Again, we don't know, however it would appear this is what happened.

Yes, we have to speculate. In my mind, though, the fact that it was a hit and run (his 3rd!) combined with the fact that he had been drinking at some point that day, indicates that he was drunk; if he was, then it isn't much of a stretch to think that he might have avoided her if sober. She was sober and I doubt very much that she jumped out right in front of his car with her children in tow.

At any rate, my point is, if a driver has the ability to avoid a pedestrian then the pedestrian has the right of way (regardless of whether they crossed legally or not).

[CexMashean]

Ridiculous. Maybe if she saw the car coming and then shoved the kid in front of it, but not for just crossing the street. There is no way she could have known there was a drunk driver coming down the road who if he had not been drinking and fully aware of his senses and driving, could have avoided this.

Oh, got'cha. So, she should have used the mentality of "I AINT GONNA BE NO PUNK BITCH AND CROSS LEGALLY! MUTHA FUCKAS BETTA RECKOGNYES MY ILLEGAL RIGHT OF WAY! OH SHIT, HE BE DRUNK?? NO TIMMAY!"

DUI laws are not tough enough

Agreed, but that doesn't give people the right to shift blame.

If you're an responsible adult, plan ahead

You mean, like creating crosswalks? That kind of planning? Or the kind of planning that your jaywalking and might encounter an unexpected motorist?

Anyone who drinks and drive deserves to go to jail.

He went to jail, didn't he?

[Steve]

You mean, like creating crosswalks? That kind of planning? Or the kind of planning that your jaywalking and might encounter an unexpected motorist?


He went to jail, didn't he?

A crosswalk wouldn't have helped in this case because the guy was a drunk. Do crosswalks have an invisible barrier that repels drunk drivers around it I'm unaware of?


He should have went to jail the FIRST time, perhaps it would have stopped him from repeating his mistake again and wouldn't have killed this kid.

In today's society you can't just tap people on their shoulder to get their attention, you have to hit them over the head with a sledgehammer.

Make the first conviction a harsh one, that will discourage alot of people from even thinking about taking the chance. First time, a serious felony so they lose all their rights as a upstanding citizen, one year in jail, counseling and alot of community service working helping grieving families who have lost loved ones due to the actions of drunk drivers, and a BIG fucking sign on the back of their car saying "I'm a convicted drunk driver". I bet there would be alot less repeat offenders!

[SS Junk]

She was sober and I doubt very much that she jumped out right in front of his car with her children in tow.

Dunno. I used to commute into DC every day and saw some real crazy shit. It's as if they are entitled and hope you hit them to get a payout. All I'm saying is I think she contributed to her kid's death and should be punished.

[Steve]

Dunno. I used to commute into DC every day and saw some real crazy shit. It's as if they are entitled and hope you hit them to get a payout. All I'm saying is I think she contributed to her kid's death and should be punished.

She will be punished for every moment of the rest of her life knowing her child is gone. That is punishment worse than any jail cell can dish out.

[CexMashean]

A crosswalk wouldn't have helped in this case because the guy was a drunk. Do crosswalks have an invisible barrier that repels drunk drivers around it I'm unaware of?

They usually have stop signs and signal lights. Usually people are already slowing or prepared to stop at those. I know, it's crazy, but those crosswalks are located there for a reason. I know it's hard to understand this, but there's a great chance her spawn would still be alive if she had crossed at a designated location. I'd put money down that even drunks are capable or seeing a red light. How else would the know to pull over for the cop?

I'm not making an excuse for the driver to be drunk, i'm just stating that the drive did not have to be drunk for the accident to occur. reaction time slowed and impaired? Sure. Would that matter in the least if she jumped in front of any other driver suddenly at an unexpected pedestrian crossing location? I doubt it. She'd of been creamed by someone who was in a 100% fine driving state. Just look at all the traffic camera's on youtube catching jaywalkers getting nailed. I guess those were ALLLLL drunk drivers.



She's fucking stupid for jaywalking with her child. period. Was the minute of walk time potentially saved worth it? Apaprently not.

Spend some time driving around downtown dallas. You'll see why jaywalking is such a big thing.

[SS Junk]

She will be punished for every moment of the rest of her life knowing her child is gone. That is punishment worse than any jail cell can dish out.

Lawfully punished in addition to her moral dilemma.

[Steve]

Lawfully punished in addition to her moral dilemma.

You're obviously not a parent, because that isn't necessary to lawfully punish her. It doesn't come anywhere near as close as to living without her child.

You guys completely out of line with this line of thought of punishing the mother, she's the victim here.

[SS Junk]

You're obviously not a genius. It doesn't matter if I am a parent or not. Aside from all the emotional horse shit, if she crossed the street illegally then she should be punished. She was a contributing factor to her kid's death. What we do know is she crossed a busy street. If she had any sense whatsoever she would've used an intersection or a crosswalk like most level headed people do.
Crossing a busy street trying to herd three kids and pay attention to traffic is not smart and does not make her a victim.

[Steve]

You're obviously not a genius. It doesn't matter if I am a parent or not. Aside from all the emotional horse shit, if she crossed the street illegally then she should be punished. She was a contributing factor to her kid's death. What we do know is she crossed a busy street. If she had any sense whatsoever she would've used an intersection or a crosswalk like most level headed people do.
Crossing a busy street trying to herd three kids and pay attention to traffic is not smart and does not make her a victim.

You're a fucking idiot to go along with that yellow streak down the middle of your back.

[SS Junk]

Contrary to your belief you are not the voice of reason. Don't be mad, bro.

[broke again]

You're obviously not a parent, because that isn't necessary to lawfully punish her. It doesn't come anywhere near as close as to living without her child.

You guys completely out of line with this line of thought of punishing the mother, she's the victim here.

she is absolutely not the victim here. the dead child is.

[CexMashean]

she is absolutely not the victim here. the dead child is.

Dead child is a victim of the mother's poor decision making.

[Silverback]

Dead child is a victim of the mother's poor decision making.

actually the dead child is the victim of getting hit by a car

the mother's negligence may have placed the child in some sort of danger, but her decision alone did not kill the child

There's a fine line between performing the act that kills someone and being negligent to another act that might not have placed someone in danger.

What happened here is the driver had a better attorney than the woman.