getting fuel right now, and see emo with 12" soled boots

[trailerparksuperstar]

The negative stereotypes are why I generally do not discuss my affiliations openly. I like the music and I've met enough really cool, decent, well-grounded people in the scene that I have a favorable opinion of at least some of the people behind the stigma of weird clothing and bad attitudes.

Examples...... ????

[BERNIE MOSFET]

Examples...... ????

I just saw this, I'll post up some stuff later tonight.

[bcoop]

When reading Drew's emo ridden post , all I could hear was "Sluts, jocks, dweebs, motorheads, wastoids. They all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude."

[Silverback]

if you guys aren't careful, you're going to get MOSFET all depressed and shit, and make him bust out the black eyeliner and make Don listen to his Bauhaus collection!!

[BERNIE MOSFET]

The tags made me laugh.

When reading Drew's emo ridden post , all I could hear was "Sluts, jocks, dweebs, motorheads, wastoids. They all adore him. They think he's a righteous dude."

hahahaha! Nice.

if you guys aren't careful, you're going to get MOSFET all depressed and shit, and make him bust out the black eyeliner and make Don listen to his Bauhaus collection!!

I'll make a convert of him, yet. Pretty soon he'll be running around in black leather pants, penciling black hair with a widow's peak onto his head, and powdering his face white!

I do like Bauhaus. Peter Murphy is still rocking it today. I saw him a year or two ago out in Dallas when he came through on tour. Amongst the other bands he founded after bauhaus broke up, he did a project in the 80's after Bauhaus called Dali's Car - inspired by Salvador Dali. Kind of weird, and it never took off:

Examples...... ????

Ok, Bauhaus is considered the first gothic rock band. Peter Murphy was the frontman and is considered the grandfather, father, godfather, or goth-father of the goth scene, depending on who you ask.




The Sisters of Mercy are another formative group.



Clan of Xymox



Fields of the Nephilim



This is true goth music.


At the same time that gothic rock was developing, other genres were becoming prevalent as well, like synthpop, new wave, dark wave, industrial, etc... There has been so much fusion between the genres and their derivatives since, that now it's hard to really detail the differences concisely, so I won't. The labels 'goth' and 'industrial' have stuck although neither really apply to what anyone should consider goth or industrial now. Most of what people would label as either is more like post-industrial, electro-industrial or EBM. It's all really confusing and I'm digressing.

What do I like? I honestly started going through everything to try and come up with a good representative sample, but it's too much. I'll do it in the morning.

[OreoStang]

Remember they are goth not vampire kids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdcxN...e_gdata_player

[Jaison]

LMAO! Fair enough.







Goths are flighty, and either live in fantasy worlds as often as they can break from reality, putting on this mopey, depressed thing their entire lives or, eventually, generally becoming responsible, contributory members to modern society because they realized withdrawal and rejection of societal norms is folly. Several (not all) are actually very intelligent but deal with the realities of life in unusual ways. Does that make them retarded? Well, yeah I suppose so. Veterans, patriots, and like-minded people to even yourself regarding the direction the country is and has been headed (as evidenced by your contributions to DFWM) also happen to describe themselves as "goth" because they still like the music, or the scene still suits them.

And then there are the shitbag, douche goths that everyone hates. Mincing words, more often than not, they are misattributed emos, rivetheads, or something entirely unto themselves. It's often hard to say because the entire goth/industrial/EBM/techno scene is very incestuous, with many subgenres between them. Goth is just the buzzword we all know.

I agree with your assessment of Juggalos entirely, however.





I suppose it's moot to discuss in the face of apparent bias, but the goth scene is pretty well dead now, honestly. Especially in the DFW area where it never really took off to begin with. What is ascribed as goth now is not goth as it was. By the time the media and everyone else became aware of the label en masse, the scene had evolved beyond its origins: an evolution of 70s punk rock and counterculture.

Goths used to deny being goth on principal, and the more one denied being goth, the more one was considered goth. Anyone who described themselves as goth, was not. It seems dumb, but the rejection of labels was part of the deal. I suppose goth is largely an umbrella term for an amalgamated waste-bin of people who cannot find some other niche to fit into, or flat rejected. Those that desire to have a label of their own end up taking this admittedly stupid term, else it is applied onto them by others. There are plenty of whiney bitches wearing their "oh-woe-is-me" on their black sleeves. I wish they'd just off themselves as much as anyone else.

The negative stereotypes are why I generally do not discuss my affiliations openly. I like the music and I've met enough really cool, decent, well-grounded people in the scene that I have a favorable opinion of at least some of the people behind the stigma of weird clothing and bad attitudes.

The tags made me laugh.



hahahaha! Nice.



I'll make a convert of him, yet. Pretty soon he'll be running around in black leather pants, penciling black hair with a widow's peak onto his head, and powdering his face white!

I do like Bauhaus. Peter Murphy is still rocking it today. I saw him a year or two ago out in Dallas when he came through on tour. Amongst the other bands he founded after bauhaus broke up, he did a project in the 80's after Bauhaus called Dali's Car - inspired by Salvador Dali. Kind of weird, and it never took off:











Ok, Bauhaus is considered the first gothic rock band. Peter Murphy was the frontman and is considered the grandfather, father, godfather, or goth-father of the goth scene, depending on who you ask.

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The Sisters of Mercy are another formative group.

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Clan of Xymox

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Fields of the Nephilim

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This is true goth music.


At the same time that gothic rock was developing, other genres were becoming prevalent as well, like synthpop, new wave, dark wave, industrial, etc... There has been so much fusion between the genres and their derivatives since, that now it's hard to really detail the differences concisely, so I won't. The labels 'goth' and 'industrial' have stuck although neither really apply to what anyone should consider goth or industrial now. Most of what people would label as either is more like post-industrial, electro-industrial or EBM. It's all really confusing and I'm digressing.

What do I like? I honestly started going through everything to try and come up with a good representative sample, but it's too much. I'll do it in the morning.

nicely stated

[forbes]

not as old, but The Cult, type o negative etc

[Cooter]

yeah, that's definitely not my go-to type of music... I listen to music in just about every genera and don't really understand people who can be pigeon holed into a particular "scene" and only associate their selves with ONE type of music... especially one as shitty as that

[Broncojohnny]

yeah, that's definitely not my go-to type of music... I listen to music in just about every genera and don't really understand people who can be pigeon holed into a particular "scene" and only associate their selves with ONE type of music... especially one as shitty as that

lmao, I think we agree, I'll listen to Waylon or Biggie Smalls but some of that stuff posted above is like someone is shitting in my ear.

[talisman]

Drew knows his subcultures subcultures!

[BERNIE MOSFET]

yeah, that's definitely not my go-to type of music... I listen to music in just about every genera and don't really understand people who can be pigeon holed into a particular "scene" and only associate their selves with ONE type of music... especially one as shitty as that

Honestly, I completely agree with not pigeon holing or identifying oneself by musical preference. I have a widely varied taste in music; not limited to just this.

lmao, I think we agree, I'll listen to Waylon or Biggie Smalls but some of that stuff posted above is like someone is shitting in my ear.

That pic is exactly what I hate about the music I like.

If you guys didn't like the gothic rock, you'll hate everything else I'm about to post. It's damn sure not mainstream.

nicely stated

Thank you. Most of what I listen to under the goth/industrial label really was coming into it's own in the mid 90s. Since you've asked, this is some of what I like:

Earlier Electro-industrial, which is pretty harsh:

Skinny Puppy:


Front Line Assembly:


Project Pitchfork


Velvet Acid Christ


Wumpscut



Not long after, and probably somewhat concurrently, "futurepop", an extension of EBM (Industrial Dance) started up:

Apoptygma Berserk was right on the front edge of this


VNV Nation is probably best associated with the futurepop genre


Covenant


Seabound


Then you've got something like Cenobita, which is really a good example of a mix of futurepop and electro-industrial styling:



Then there's aggrotech, or terror EBM, which is kind of a cross between electro-industrial and techno. It's really out there and probably *not* what you are looking for. I'm posting these because you asked, I expect they will not be popular.

Suicide Commando, which is where the genre probably started


Combichrist


Grendel


Unter Null




Was it you (Jaison) that posted a Gary Numan vid some time back, or was that someone else? If so, he's got a new album coming out soon. You might also be interested in Peter Murphy's new album "Ninth". I've listened to less music like where Numan's music has headed lately, so it's hard to make similar suggestions (besides, Numan has always done his own thing).

More rock/metal oriented groups:

I think Informatik is moving that way - they've gone from more futurepop sound to this:


Eisbrecher, a German group


Die Krupps


Endless Sunder

not as old, but The Cult, type o negative etc

Definitely.