Question for the LEO's

[forbes]

So what do you do for a living? By your post above, it leads one to believe that you are an attorney.

I can not speak on behalf of officers that I don't know (in regards to your experiences). Just the officers I work with on a daily basis.

i haven't asked what you do for a living, so to answer that question would be a motion of relevance (of which there is none)
nor at any given time have i asked you to comment on the status of yourself or your fellow officers. as i stated above, not all are bad, on the contrary, most are good.
just two questions, (out of curiosity) when you pull someone over... which lights do you turn on initially?
and are you sworn in to serve and protect?

[Buck Nasty]

I don't see how that's violating your Civil Rights,to me its pretty plain and simple if your breaking the law or doing something illegal then LEO's are doing their job. And believe me I've had my many run in and been in trouble for many things,but it was my own fault not the popo's.

[Osiris]

i haven't asked what you do for a living, so to answer that question would be a motion of relevance (of which there is none)
nor at any given time have i asked you to comment on the status of yourself or your fellow officers. as i stated above, not all are bad, on the contrary, most are good.
just two questions, (out of curiosity) when you pull someone over... which lights do you turn on initially?
and are you sworn in to serve and protect?

Wonder where you're going with this, but I was just curious if you actually hold a bar certification, or if you are a someone who likes to read a lot (a hobby, if you will). But I like the wordplay you use. It's a nice tactic.

I use the fancy bright lights to make my traffic stops, you can see an example in my avatar. Texas does not allow commissioned officers without being sworn in by the department. But, from all of your studies and practice in law, you should know this.

Oh well. Nice chatting with you.

[Dacotua]

That was it.


Here is a link for the photos, sorry for the fail.

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/392939...edan-4d/page-1

I'm actually quite happy you got a ticket. GO put some tail lights on that car that others can see. I've seen people smash into others because they painted their tail lights black.

[forbes]

Wonder where you're going with this, but I was just curious if you actually hold a bar certification, or if you are a someone who likes to read a lot (a hobby, if you will). But I like the wordplay you use. It's a nice tactic.

I use the fancy bright lights to make my traffic stops, you can see an example in my avatar. Texas does not allow commissioned officers without being sworn in by the department. But, from all of your studies and practice in law, you should know this.

Oh well. Nice chatting with you.

no tactic... never said anything about being a hobbiest or an attorney (cause by all rights i do have the right to defend myself in either form,) and yes i was fully aware you need to be sworn in, kinda goes like Every officer of the city shall, before entering upon the duties of his office, take and subscribe to the following oath of affirmation to be filed and kept in the office of the city secretary.
"I, ________________, do solemnly swear (or affirm), that I will faithfully execute the duties of the office ________________, of the City xxx, State of Texas, and will to the best of my ability preserve, protect and defend the Constitution and Laws of the United States and of this State and the Charter and Ordinances of this city; and I furthermore solemnly swear (or affirm), that I have not directly or indirectly paid, offered, or promised to pay, contributed, nor promised to contribute any money or valuable thing, or promised any public office or employment as a reward for the giving or withholding a vote at the election at which I was elected, or if the office is one of appointment, to secure my appointment. So help me God."
but if you use your fancy bright lights, aren't you declaring a state of emergency? shouldnt you use lets say a siren and a solid red or is it blue light in order to actually pull someone over? what is the state of emergency you are announcing to the public as your sworn service when you stop a speeder if an emergency is
"An emergency is a situation that poses an immediate risk to health, life, property or environment.[1] Most emergencies require urgent intervention to prevent a worsening of the situation"
and sorry if your tired of chatting with me, i was just looking for a law abiding officer's opinion

[Doug Hatton]

Somebody's got their Law Merit Badge and mastered the art of copying and pasting from Google... lmao....

[talisman]

Somebody's got their Law Merit Badge and mastered the art of copying and pasting from Google... lmao....

No shit! I bet he was Sally Struthers finest student!

[forbes]

it was easier than looking everything up in books, but thus far nobody has any back up for debate.
on a serious note, traffic fines are set low so the general public (uneducated on rights) will say that isn't that bad and pay it just so they don't have the hassle.
let me ask you this
when you go to court over a civil matter (traffic)
who is the plaintiff? the state
who does the prosecutor represent? the state
who does the officer represent? the state
who does the judge represent? the state
doesn't seem fair to me...
secondly, if the officer's really the plaintiff, why does he have special rights to appear in court?
the judge automatically trusts him before you. proof? he is allowed to carry a gun in the court room and you are not.
he also wears his uniform. if he had any other civil case that was personal, the court would never allow him to this.
it is a money maker for the state for those who are ignorant when it comes to law
you can make all the cracks you want, but record speaks for it self

[Gear_Jammer]

I'm on the fence on this one. I'm not a criminal attorney and I've never defended a traffic ticket, so take this with a grain of salt. Technically speaking, they appear to be red - a dark shade of red, but the law cited above doesn't say anything about having to be candy apple red. Having said that, they damn sure better be nice and red when on during the day and night or else you probably don't stand a chance.

With respect to those saying it was BS to pull him over, get over it. I'd bet that from 30+ feet during the day, they look black. Assuming I'm correct, would you also complain if he pulled over a vehicle with no brake lights? They are the functional equivalent if I'm right about how dark they are.

[Gear_Jammer]

I don't know you from Adam, but I have to admit that I'm impressed by your ability to create BS out of good law. I've been against your kind in court a handful of times over the last 11+ years and won every single time. FYI, I went to college, graduated in the top 10 people in my law school class and have been in private practice since 1999. Unlike you, I know the law and/or am able to research a topic and make sense of it. You and your kind crack me up. You think your smarter or more enlightened than everyone else. You look for every reason to find what you think are holes in the system/law, until you need those very same laws that you ridicule to work for you. Let me clue you into something. You *might* win a few little fights in court, but you will never win the war.

Just so that I can gauge what kind of radical you are, do you believe that paper money is actually legal tender?

it was easier than looking everything up in books, but thus far nobody has any back up for debate.
on a serious note, traffic fines are set low so the general public (uneducated on rights) will say that isn't that bad and pay it just so they don't have the hassle.
let me ask you this
when you go to court over a civil matter (traffic)
who is the plaintiff? the state
who does the prosecutor represent? the state
who does the officer represent? the state
who does the judge represent? the state
doesn't seem fair to me...
secondly, if the officer's really the plaintiff, why does he have special rights to appear in court?
the judge automatically trusts him before you. proof? he is allowed to carry a gun in the court room and you are not.
he also wears his uniform. if he had any other civil case that was personal, the court would never allow him to this.
it is a money maker for the state for those who are ignorant when it comes to law
you can make all the cracks you want, but record speaks for it self

[slow99]

So what do you do for a living? By your post above, it leads one to believe that you are an attorney.

That's about the last thing that crossed my mind when I read that disaster of a post.

[kingjason]

not always.
there is a cause and need for law enforcement. don't get me wrong, i am not anti law enforcement (most of my family and friends are hp or local) for example i'll use a ticket i got in carrolton (since that is your location)
i was in the carpool lane with a passenger, an officer had somebody pulled over on the right (not the officers fault). in front of me was an unmarked and him and i both merged half way into the speed lane (next to the carpool lane 3) and merged back into the carpool lane in order to insure the officer had a safe working distance from traffic. he pulled me over for crossing the double whit line and issued a carpool violation. i called the chief that day and explained the situation. he reviewed the dash cam of the officer and recommended to the court to drop the citation without me appearing. there is a example of the justice system at work. now on the other hand, in mesquite i got pulled over and he wrote me for no proof of insurance (it was the 2nd and mine expired on the 1st. i told him he could look it up ( a program texas municipalities have been using for a while) he smirk and said it aint his job to verify, just to write tickets. as an officer you are a public servant, to protect and maintain the rights of the public. that is what you are sworn in to do correct? not all cops ae power happy (i can show you over 20 that are good cops) but the bottom line most are. and because of that i spend my time in the subject matter of civil and Constitutional rights. BTW when did they stop putting "to protect and serve" on the side of cop cars?

Neither one of these support your previous post.

As far as the first one goes, a Chief cannot call the court and have them drop a citation. Now if it happened the way you say it did then I agree it was a shitty stop. Now the Chief could have reviewed the tape, called in said officer, then asked him if that was the best action for the cause. The officer could have then agreed and made it a warning. The Chief cannot make him drop the charge though.

[LS1Goat]

Yep, that's Coppell. I got a roughly $250 ticket for driving through the Tom Thumb parking lot using it as a "detour". This was when they had the Sandy lake/Beltline intersection blocked off for construction of their beloved bricked Texas Star. I just made the mistake of driving straight through instead of just taking a moment to pull into a parking place and put my foot on the ground for a few seconds. Oh, and he did a Q&A routine about my exhaust system and why I had numbers on my driver quarter window in white shoe polish. Every answer lead to another question. It was tedious. I was glad to get on my way.

[Osiris]

Forbes: what is your response to Gear_Jammer? I owe the man some food.

[BMCSean]

Holy shit, this thread is going nowhere. I didn't take any pics at night yet but I just got home from work and checked them in the dark and they emit PLENTY of light when on and more than enough when braking. I am not trying to get into the civil rights movement or anything, just want the ticket dismissed.