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  • Is Shale Gas a Ponzi Scheme?

    The New York Times seems to think so..

    The article is too long for posting, so I am only posting the opening and a couple of key paragraphs. The full article is here:

    (link is NYT article hosted on MSNBC)

    Natural gas companies have been placing enormous bets on the wells they are drilling, saying they will deliver big profits and provide a vast new source of energy for the United States.

    But the gas may not be as easy and cheap to extract from shale formations deep underground as the companies are saying, according to hundreds of industry e-mails and internal documents and an analysis of data from thousands of wells.

    In the e-mails, energy executives, industry lawyers, state geologists and market analysts voice skepticism about lofty forecasts and question whether companies are intentionally, and even illegally, overstating the productivity of their wells and the size of their reserves. Many of these e-mails also suggest a view that is in stark contrast to more bullish public comments made by the industry, in much the same way that insiders have raised doubts about previous financial bubbles.

    “Money is pouring in” from investors even though shale gas is “inherently unprofitable,” an analyst from PNC Wealth Management, an investment company, wrote to a contractor in a February e-mail. “Reminds you of dot-coms.”

    “The word in the world of independents is that the shale plays are just giant Ponzi schemes and the economics just do not work,” an analyst from IHS Drilling Data, an energy research company, wrote in an e-mail on Aug. 28, 2009.

    Company data for more than 10,000 wells in three major shale gas formations raise further questions about the industry’s prospects. There is undoubtedly a vast amount of gas in the formations. The question remains how affordably it can be extracted.

    The data show that while there are some very active wells, they are often surrounded by vast zones of less-productive wells that in some cases cost more to drill and operate than the gas they produce is worth. Also, the amount of gas produced by many of the successful wells is falling much faster than initially predicted by energy companies, making it more difficult for them to turn a profit over the long run.

    If the industry does not live up to expectations, the impact will be felt widely. Federal and state lawmakers are considering drastically increasing subsidies for the natural gas business in the hope that it will provide low-cost energy for decades to come.

    But if natural gas ultimately proves more expensive to extract from the ground than has been predicted, landowners, investors and lenders could see their investments falter, while consumers will pay a price in higher electricity and home heating bills.

    In May 2010, the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas called a meeting to discuss the matter after prodding from Ms. Rogers. One speaker was Kenneth B. Medlock III, an energy expert at Rice University, who described a promising future for the shale gas industry in the United States. When he was done, Ms. Rogers peppered him with questions.

    Might growing environmental concerns raise the cost of doing business? If wells were dying off faster than predicted, how many new wells would need to be drilled to meet projections?

    Mr. Medlock conceded that production in the Barnett shale formation — or “play,” in industry jargon — was indeed flat and would probably soon decline.

    “Activity will shift toward other plays because the returns there are higher,” he predicted. Ms. Rogers turned to the other commissioners to see if they shared her skepticism, but she said she saw only blank stares.

    In September 2009, a geologist from ConocoPhillips, one of the largest producers of natural gas in the Barnett shale, warned in an e-mail to a colleague that shale gas might end up as “the world’s largest uneconomic field.” About six months later, the company’s chief executive, James J. Mulva, described natural gas as “nature’s gift,” adding that “rather than being expensive, shale gas is often the low-cost source.” Asked about the e-mail, John C. Roper, a spokesman for ConocoPhillips, said he absolutely believed that shale gas is economically viable.

  • #2
    NG is going to be a big player in the years to come IMO

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    • #3
      I don't know but .. there is 85% less activity out here drilling than there once was .

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      • #4
        Alot of NG/ oilfield crap going on around here.

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        • #5
          Look at your source there. The New York Times? Are you kidding me?
          This is purely politically motivated. There is NG supply for decades, and thats just what they are finding now. NG will be the next big fuel. Power Plants and autos have already been converting. Also if it was, do you think companies like Exxon, Chevron, Conoco-Phillips would be buying companies left and right with land up here to drill? This article is a crock of shit.

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          • #6
            The price decline in NG isn't helping things. The economics are no different than oil really, when the price was high as shit any well made sense, now that it is back down you are going to see things like this.

            The other thing is, pretend this article is correct. I'm not saying it is. Honestly it doesn't matter, someone could invent something tomorrow and make all these wells profitable. That has always been my problem with the theory of peak oil, IE it doesn't and can't take into account advances in technology that increase recoverable reserves.
            Originally posted by racrguy
            What's your beef with NPR, because their listeners are typically more informed than others?
            Originally posted by racrguy
            Voting is a constitutional right, overthrowing the government isn't.

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            • #7
              Like any type of speculatory business, its all driven on forecasts and models. No one knows exactly how much gas is down there, but they have a pretty damned good idea backed by much research and science. And like you said Al, the market is low right now for NG because A. Its flooded, and B. the time of year. Winter time hits, and prices will shoot right back up.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Big Dad View Post
                I don't know but .. there is 85% less activity out here drilling than there once was .
                In the Barnett, sure. So much has been drilled, and most of the remaining properties are already bought and being held to drill later. But there are several other areas that are just getting started and have yet to peak (Haynesville, Woodford, Fayetteville, Eagle Ford, etc).

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Cannon88 View Post
                  In the Barnett, sure. So much has been drilled, and most of the remaining properties are already bought and being held to drill later. But there are several other areas that are just getting started and have yet to peak (Haynesville, Woodford, Fayetteville, Eagle Ford, etc).
                  Eagleford is the next big play there in Cen Tx. Hell where I'm at in the Marcellus, theres still TONS to be drilled, and that doesn't count the formation above the Marcellus and below it as well. Gas drilling will be up here for at least 50-60 years, and thats DRILLING, not production. Also if NY will get their shit straight, they could profit from it too.

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                  • #10
                    Maybe not all of them are ponzi schemes, but I know a few were... are...

                    I'm sure major players are less likely to get caught up in the ponzi mechanism, but for small investors who invest with small, local firms, the likelihood of a ponzi scheme is much greater.

                    A lot of times the ponzi scheme wasn't even originally the idea of a firm, who's true intentions were making money for everyone, but with problems, and investor demanding payouts, people get sucked into the ponzi mentality, always hoping that after one big payoff in the field, everything will balance itself out.

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                    • #11
                      What a great day it was on the nasdaq

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                      • #12
                        Ask Big Matt....

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Doug Hatton View Post
                          Ask Big Matt....
                          I blame avinson!

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                          • #14
                            Lmao!

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                            • #15
                              anyone notice the natural gas commercial lawn mowers? how about the cng buses and 18 wheelers around town? anyone notice yesterday that GM entered into an agreement with WPRT to pursue NG engines for light duty vehicles? time to reduce opec

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