Lucky us! 4th amendment just got weaker.

[Denny]

Try the end of the civil war. To the national govt that win will always provide justification for overriding the rights of the states.

Ya, but an argument can be said about the South if they won as well. That was such a lose/lose situation.

On a side note, I really hate that people only look at the Civil War was only fought over slavery. Pisses me off to no end. The whole slavery debate became an issue as soon as the we declared our independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The truth is that the North and South had their differences until action was actually taken to secede by the 11 southern states. While slavery was the vehicle used by both sides to make their stances, The Civil War was about not letting the South move in its own direction.

This country is nothing more than a large corporation and the heads of this corporation will do anything to keep its assests. Unfuckingbelievable.

[SlowLX]

Ya, but an argument can be said about the South if they won as well. That was such a lose/lose situation.

On a side note, I really hate that people only look at the Civil War was only fought over slavery. Pisses me off to no end. The whole slavery debate became an issue as soon as the we declared our independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The truth is that the North and South had their differences until action was actually taken to secede by the 11 southern states. While slavery was the vehicle used by both sides to make their stances, The Civil War was about not letting the South move in its own direction.

This country is nothing more than a large corporation and the heads of this corporation will do anything to keep its assests. Unfuckingbelievable.

I firmly believe the south would have been forced to re-integrate into the union even if they had won. They had zero industrial complex and Mexico circa mid 19th century couldn't support themselves much less their neighbor. The south would have been economically subjugated by the North eventually regardless of the military outcome.

[Denny]

I firmly believe the south would have been forced to re-integrate into the union even if they had won. They had zero industrial complex and Mexico circa mid 19th century couldn't support themselves much less their neighbor. The south would have been economically subjugated by the North eventually regardless of the military outcome.

I used to think so as well, until I thought about their large agricultural influence on the rest of the nation at the time. I think once lines were firmly drawn, the South could have had more of an economic impact than most think. I also believe the shot-callers in the North kinda knew it too. That and losing a big tax base... heaven forbid! LOL

[Taylor]

I think if you were to make the decision to draw down on a bunch of cops who already have the jump on you, odds are you two would probably die.

Uniformed officers, no. Plain clothes, yes.

You can bend over and take it all you want, I for one, wont.

[SlowLX]

I used to think so as well, until I thought about their large agricultural influence on the rest of the nation at the time. I think once lines were firmly drawn, the South could have had more of an economic impact than most think. I also believe the shot-callers in the North kinda knew it too. That and losing a big tax base... heaven forbid! LOL

I don't believe so by 1870 the South had lost it's agricultural edge. UK had found cheaper sources of high grade cotton, rice, indigo, and tea from within its own colonies. The north by 1870 was beginning to pace southern grain growth in the Midwestern states which weren't a part of the Confederacy due to a higher population, better technology, a vastly more developed industrial complex, and better land.

[Couver]

We built our empire on intervention, isolationism would require a return to a less powerful and more unstable country. Our economy is dependent on our intervention, people the world over secretly want to be American because they think we can project ourselves and our identity anywhere with impunity.

Well said!!

I just think that if people who want to be one of US let them do it through legit means. Let them come, work, PAY TAXES, and do everything by the book. The rest of the heard can eat a bag of dick.... My simple fix to immigration would be mirror Mexicos own policy.. If you have no income get out. You can't own land get out. etc etc


We spend way to much time worrying about others borders and politics then we do our own.


Sorry back to G-ma and her prunes.....

[Sean88gt]

Ya, but an argument can be said about the South if they won as well. That was such a lose/lose situation.

On a side note, I really hate that people only look at the Civil War was only fought over slavery. Pisses me off to no end. The whole slavery debate became an issue as soon as the we declared our independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

The truth is that the North and South had their differences until action was actually taken to secede by the 11 southern states. While slavery was the vehicle used by both sides to make their stances, The Civil War was about not letting the South move in its own direction.

This country is nothing more than a large corporation and the heads of this corporation will do anything to keep its assests. Unfuckingbelievable.

So would a properly executed revolt attack Wall Street or the heads of the mega banks?

Until those that are considered have's join the have not crowd I don't see anything changing.

[Forever_frost]

My answer

[SlowLX]

Well said!!

I just think that if people who want to be one of US let them do it through legit means. Let them come, work, PAY TAXES, and do everything by the book. The rest of the heard can eat a bag of dick.... My simple fix to immigration would be mirror Mexicos own policy.. If you have no income get out. You can't own land get out. etc etc


We spend way to much time worrying about others borders and politics then we do our own.


Sorry back to G-ma and her prunes.....

Not exactly what I was getting at, I meant it more like Hollywood is our greatest export. Everyone wants to be like America. They want the instant gratification that comes with a flat screen, they want to wear all of our designer clothes, etc. I still hold the islamic threat against America has nothing to do with religion, they're just scared of losing their power base as the principle of modernity begins to take hold in the middle east. They know at the very least in their subconscious their antiquated system is failing to keep pace with the times and that's their only means of control.

[talisman]

^THIS!


You guys are so easy to get drove up. It goes to prove I can make any FTP thread outlive its usefulness!

I'm not reading any more of the garbage in this thread beyond this post. Matt, if you're really just making blatantly asinine statements to get everyone worked up, I hope you know that the side effect is that it makes you look like like a total dumbass every time you do it. If you're serious, well.. Then I don't know what to tell you. If I were you I'd try to make some adjustments either way. I'm just sayin'.

[mikec]

I'm not reading any more of the garbage in this thread beyond this post. Matt, if you're really just making blatantly asinine statements to get everyone worked up, I hope you know that the side effect is that it makes you look like like a total dumbass every time you do it. If you're serious, well.. Then I don't know what to tell you. If I were you I'd try to make some adjustments either way. I'm just sayin'.

This. Seriously. I've always thought you above that kind of activity Matt and held you in a much higher esteem. Of late it's like damn!

[Sean88gt]

This. Seriously. I've always thought you above that kind of activity Matt and held you in a much higher esteem. Of late it's like damn!

DAMMIT! I forgot to call you.

[Couver]

Not exactly what I was getting at, I meant it more like Hollywood is our greatest export. Everyone wants to be like America. They want the instant gratification that comes with a flat screen, they want to wear all of our designer clothes, etc. I still hold the islamic threat against America has nothing to do with religion, they're just scared of losing their power base as the principle of modernity begins to take hold in the middle east. They know at the very least in their subconscious their antiquated system is failing to keep pace with the times and that's their only means of control.

I agree the middle east wants to be us but can not figure out how to get there... The first part of your post is what is jacking us up on this end as everything is an "entitlement" and not something earned through hard work..

I have derailed enough. Our basic rights are being erroded away and the sheepole will take it.... This seems like England circa 1980... Just enough fear from the Irish with bad things going on at home. Yet at home things are fubar so let us woory about those not the alligator next to the boat...

[03trubluGT]

I'm not reading any more of the garbage in this thread beyond this post. Matt, if you're really just making blatantly asinine statements to get everyone worked up, I hope you know that the side effect is that it makes you look like like a total dumbass every time you do it. If you're serious, well.. Then I don't know what to tell you. If I were you I'd try to make some adjustments either way. I'm just sayin'.

While the posts may be inflammatory, they are far from blatantly asinine. They are engineered to provoke thought. I challenge you to pull one statement Iv'e made in this thread and prove it completely wrong.

Am I not allowed, like everyone else, the liberty of exaggeration, embellishment, or cutting loose just because of my job? That is absolutely a double standard.

If you are going to hold me to a standard because of my job, maybe you need to drink a whole bunch more of that Woodford.

[03trubluGT]

Wow. Matt, I can't tell if it's ignorance, or your blind allegiance to LEO that's shining through. One thing is for sure, your comments in here rank right up there with some of the most retarded comments I've read on this board.

I must have skipped right over this when reading the thread on the ol' iPhone, but it needs a response.


Look at my response to Eric. Sure, some of the posts are antagonistic, but not wholly or even remotely false.

Read into them what you will, but if you have a question, ask. Perception can contain powerful deceit.