Lucky us! 4th amendment just got weaker.

[03trubluGT]

Do you know that supervisors can lie and be in cahoots as well?

It seems as if you've realized you lost this battle and are just trolling at this point.

And if they do, they need to be in jail.

I have the full ability to play devil's advocate/antagonize as much as anyone on the site. Just because I do so and it rubs you the wrong way, then too bad.

Poor policing pisses me off just as much as anyone else. Being professional at all times should be expected. Enforcing the law equitably and fairly should be paramount. Compassion is a very overlooked trait in officers.

Paul Harvey does a good job in this one:

[Denny]

Hobie, your pic of Obama had a red x.

Cross hairs?

[03trubluGT]

Do you know that the Supreme Court just said they don't need one?



Take a step back and read your own line of logic from a Citizen's point of view. Are you really going to sit there and tell me you don't see any problem with what you're saying?!?!

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. And every DA in the country just rewrote policy overnight to reflect this omnipotent ruling.

You have no clue on due process.

[SlowLX]

You make it sound like it's an ongoing, every day occurrance. I'm glad that where I work there are checks and balances to make sure this does not happen. A supervisor approves each warrant before it's taken to a magistrate/judge.

Do you know what is required in a warrant?

You have the good fortune to work from one of the better departments in Texas
Do you really think every large city in America has as clean of a department as Fort Worth? Take Dallas for example or see post 68 http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...3&postcount=68 for example where LA police officers were pretending to have warrants ala Training Day style so they could steal from residents. That was an ONGOING problem with more than one fuck up. Can you verify that you know what goes into getting a no knock warrant in Atlanta? or NYC? or Memphis? Have been around the block so many times that you can guarantee this board without a doubt that EVERY SINGLE police depart in mid to major cities across America is as stringent with their policies as Fort Worth? There is at least 1 post every few months about a police fuck up somewhere in the nation, more often than not it's in a medium to large city. It's not a stretch to assume that the 4th amendment is violated even in minor ways more often than it's reported.

[Grimpala]

And if they do, they need to be in jail.

I have the full ability to play devil's advocate/antagonize as much as anyone on the site. Just because I do so and it rubs you the wrong way, then too bad.

Poor policing pisses me off just as much as anyone else. Being professional at all times should be expected. Enforcing the law equitably and fairly should be paramount. Compassion is a very overlooked trait in officers.

Paul Harvey does a good job in this one:

Didn't ever say that it bothered me. Just calling a spade a spade.

[Sean88gt]

Cross hairs?

Damn, it's already starting?!


Picture fails, that is?

[Grimpala]

You have no clue on due process.

Please educate us then.

[The King]

I think I will live to see the 2nd American Revolution as the nation collapses under the weight of the ever growing gov't. Maybe even a lot sooner than we realize.

Especially when ex-establishment homers (like me) are looking at it as the only option to make any real difference. I would have laughed at myself several years back.

And what would a 2nd American Revolution install that would necessarily be any better than the current U.S. government? A true democracy??? Doesn't work.

[sc281]

Riiiiiiiiiiiight. And every DA in the country just rewrote policy overnight to reflect this omnipotent ruling.

You have no clue on due process.

First post

The justices in an 8-1 decision said officers who loudly knock on a door and then hear sounds suggesting evidence is being destroyed may break down the door and enter without a search warrant.

Residents who "attempt to destroy evidence have only themselves to blame" when police burst in, said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.

In a lone dissent, Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said she feared the ruling in a Kentucky case will give police an easy way to ignore the 4th Amendment. "Police officers may not knock, listen and then break the door down," she said, without violating the 4th Amendment.

In the past, the court has said police usually may not enter a home unless they have a search warrant or the permission of the owner. As Alito said, "The 4th Amendment has drawn a firm line at the entrance to the house."




Please, educate me on the due process.....

[03trubluGT]

You have the good fortune to work from one of the better departments in Texas
Do you really think every large city in America has as clean of a department as Fort Worth? Take Dallas for example or see post 68 http://www.dfwmustangs.net/forums/sh...3&postcount=68 for example where LA police officers were pretending to have warrants ala Training Day style so they could steal from residents. That was an ONGOING problem with more than one fuck up. Can you verify that you know what goes into getting a no knock warrant in Atlanta? or NYC? or Memphis? Have been around the block so many times that you can guarantee this board without a doubt that EVERY SINGLE police depart in mid to major cities across America is as stringent with their policies as Fort Worth? There is at least 1 post every few months about a police fuck up somewhere in the nation, more often than not it's in a medium to large city. It's not a stretch to assume that the 4th amendment is violated even in minor ways more often than it's reported.

I bet there are more people violating the rights of others than a few officers doing this practice.

Didn't ever say that it bothered me. Just calling a spade a spade.

Coming from someone of your character this just doesn't bother me.

Please educate us then.

Just because the SC comes out with a ruling on Monday, doesn't mean that departments go out and start practicing the result on Tuesday.

A department's legal will get this, review it, have meetings with the DA's office, and come to an opinion on how this ruling will effect the policies. They will more than likely weigh risk/liability more than the benefit of getting drugs off the street and highly restrict the use of this ruling.

That is a VERY condensed version, but you get the point. It could be MONTHS before we get handed a new policy. It's not like Legal/Command will be ignorant of the possibilty of misuse. It will be highly considered, as it should.

SC281^^^^ does this answer your question?

[mstng86]

haha, I bet when Matt joined the force he never thought he would have to argue with a bunch of random people about his job on an internet forum.

I am just saying, it must be hard being you some days.

[Ruffdaddy]

Man, you are one sharp tack.

1. no
2. Huge leap on your part. Rack your shit and life is fine. Expect others to clean up after you like a welfare recipient and you'll be called on it. Simple as that.

I guess you fall into the welfare recipient crowd.

I'm about 99% sure you're the one that said the redbull shut over in Canada but I don't care enough to prove it.

Asking someone politely and bein a pushy asshole are different. I'm no where near welfare recipient. I contribute way too much in taxes to continue employing retards that are the police and government.

You still fail to prove any of your points...you know your "brethren" are going to misuse and abuse this ruling.

[03trubluGT]

haha, I bet when Matt joined the force he never thought he would have to argue with a bunch of random people about his job on an internet forum.

I am just saying, it must be hard being you some days.

To my knowledge, they didn't exist in 1992.

This is part of my responsibility as an officer. Knowledge should not be horded, but shared. If I can explain something, it's to everyone's benefit.

I know to take this board with a HUGE grain of salt, look at my join date.

[sc281]

I bet there are more people violating the rights of others than a few officers doing this practice.



Coming from someone of your character this just doesn't bother me.



Just because the SC comes out with a ruling on Monday, doesn't mean that departments go out and start practicing the result on Tuesday.

A department's legal will get this, review it, have meetings with the DA's office, and come to an opinion on how this ruling will effect the policies. They will more than likely weigh risk/liability more than the benefit of getting drugs off the street and highly restrict the use of this ruling.

That is a VERY condensed version, but you get the point. It could be MONTHS before we get handed a new policy. It's not like Legal/Command will be ignorant of the possibilty of misuse. It will be highly considered, as it should.

You just don't get it, do you? The time frame of eroding our Civil Liberties is irrelevant. The fact that our Civil Liberties are being eroded AT ALL is the issue.

[03trubluGT]

I'm about 99% sure you're the one that said the redbull shut over in Canada but I don't care enough to prove it.

Asking someone politely and bein a pushy asshole are different. I'm no where near welfare recipient. I contribute way too much in taxes to continue employing retards that are the police and government.

You still fail to prove any of your points...you know your "brethren" are going to misuse and abuse this ruling.

That wasn't me.

The difference between polite and pushy asshole is perception. If you're easily offended, then you need to grow a thicker skin.