Lucky us! 4th amendment just got weaker.

[03trubluGT]

Because you're an asshole...it's my problem? Man your profession is shining through!

Now you've resorted to name calling!

Way to go there junior!

[Jimbo]

Really?

I'm pretty certain the chances of police kicking in my door are less than me getting hit by lightning. But then I don't do dope, nor do I allow anyone into my home that does.

But, if I had a bike, you can be damn sure I'd wear a helmet because I've cleaned up enough motorcycle wrecks that weren't the bike rider's fault.


This is just the same old typical DFW FTP kneejerk reaction.

Supporting personal freedom is a kneejerk?
The chances of anyone breaking in my house may be slim, but I would still want the law to support the homeowner in every possible situation unless there is a lawful reason for the intrusion.

[78X]

Where do you turn when the Supreme Court is wrong???

Night court

[The King]

Sucking the dicks of democracy - The Obama Army.

That there's quote-worthy

[Denny]

Education for one. Consider that mass support for a revolution just isn't there. Remember that the majority of voters gave us Obama....do you really think they would join any revolutionary uprising that required effort or risk on their part.

Education?! You can scream it out from the top of your lungs with all the evidence to show how the current status quo is what is bringing us down and most STILL won't veer from the course.

Why should the minority that want what is right, have to suffer at the hands of the majority that is ignorant to our demise?

Fuck a bunch of that shit. Physical force yeilds results.

[Denny]

You people are still failing to realize the military is NOT going to abandon the federal government without good cause. The lower enlisted ranks who would be the easiest to sway don't have enough leaderships, weapons, supplies, or ability to carry on a revolution; officers are not going to desert the Federal government en mass without SERIOUS fuck ups by the government or by a large change in allegiances by the flag grade officers who also are not going to abandon the Federal government solely on the charge or slowly eroding civil liberties.

Wanna hear the story about a small group of settlers (with far less weaponry) that took on the world's largest army and kicked their ass back to England?

[03trubluGT]

Supporting personal freedom is a kneejerk?
The chances of anyone breaking in my house may be slim, but I would still want the law to support the homeowner in every possible situation unless there is a lawful reason for the intrusion.

Instead of bitching about the SC, most of the direction has been on how this is going to be abused by the JBT dumb ass cops.

Coming on here and cop bashing isn't going to change a thing. People need to get involved with established remedies.

I'm with you on this:

I would still want the law to support the homeowner in every possible situation unless there is a lawful reason for the intrusion

[sc281]

H*ll no, but they are nonetheless the so-called "majority". What would give a true revolutionary minority the authority to dictate through force what the majority should think and do? Then the revolutionaries become the very thing they're opposed to.

The basis of the Constitutional Republic we are founded on was built to protect the rights of the individual/minority from being oppressed by the majority. e.g. The majority taking the wealth from the minority through the "Democratic" process circa !900-2011 A.D.

Wanna hear the story about a small group of settlers (with far less weaponry) that took on the world's largest army and kicked their ass back to England?

Yes, please. It isn't told nearly enough these days.

[SlowLX]

Wanna hear the story about a small group of settlers (with far less weaponry) that took on the world's largest army and kicked their ass back to England?

You want to know some real reasons why America won it's independence? How about the fact that the local populace in Britain never really cared for the war in the first place? Or the fact that it took MONTHS to resupply their army not hours like it would take today. Or how about the only real reason we won was because of French aid and assistance? Or how about the differences in time frame that it takes to take a ragtag militia and turn them into an effective national army circa the 18th century compared to what would happen now? Especially with foreign aid and military advisers.

Now, do you wanna hear a little story about the southern fight for independence? Where the majority of the nations military men of the time deserted and revolted, yet they still got the shit kicked out of them because they had no way of sustaining their war or foreign support?

There is no way without at least partial assistance from major US military units or all out foreign assistance a revolution against the US military would last. I personally view the national guard with contempt the majority of the time due to their piss poor training when compared to the rest of the Army and Marines and I would still put faith in them to put down a 2nd American revolution by themselves if their opposition had no military support or leadership.

Let's use this board as a small example for instance: out of all the wanna be secessionists and vote from the rooftop guys that post on here and can be assumed to share similar view to others across the nation, how many of you have substantial military experience? 25%? That's with high estimates and I'm willing to wager that out of all of the vets on this board no one has led a unit larger than 30-40 men. That's being generous assuming some of the secessionists posters are just quite about their military service. I would trust a platoon of Iowa guardsmen equipped with antiquated weapons vs a company of the typical DFWMustangs secessionists with every modern weapon possible.

It takes more than desire to win a war, especially if the enemy is sufficiently motivated, such as preserving the union.

[Denny]

You want to know some real reasons why America won it's independence? How about the fact that the local populace in Britain never really cared for the war in the first place? Or the fact that it took MONTHS to resupply their army not hours like it would take today. Or how about the only real reason we won was because of French aid and assistance? Or how about the differences in time frame that it takes to take a ragtag militia and turn them into an effective national army circa the 18th century compared to what would happen now? Especially with foreign aid and military advisers.

Now, do you wanna hear a little story about the southern fight for independence? Where the majority of the nations military men of the time deserted and revolted, yet they still got the shit kicked out of them because they had no way of sustaining their war or foreign support?

There is no way without at least partial assistance from major US military units or all out foreign assistance a revolution against the US military would last. I personally view the national guard with contempt the majority of the time due to their piss poor training when compared to the rest of the Army and Marines and I would still put faith in them to put down a 2nd American revolution by themselves if their opposition had no military support or leadership.

Let's use this board as a small example for instance: out of all the wanna be secessionists and vote from the rooftop guys that post on here and can be assumed to share similar view to others across the nation, how many of you have substantial military experience? 25%? That's with high estimates and I'm willing to wager that out of all of the vets on this board no one has led a unit larger than 30-40 men. That's being generous assuming some of the secessionists posters are just quite about their military service. I would trust a platoon of Iowa guardsmen equipped with antiquated weapons vs a company of the typical DFWMustangs secessionists with every modern weapon possible.

I think you underestimate the true oath keepers in uniform. There are more than most think. I pity the ones that will stand in the way of the citizens doing what needs to be done to restore this country to the state it was originally intended.

Once the "Supreme Iowa Fighting Force" takes out citizens exercising their true patriotic duties, hell will follow... no lie.

[Couver]

I'm willing to wager that out of all of the vets on this board no one has led a unit larger than 30-40 men.

I call what do I win?

[Frank]

http://reason.com/blog/2011/05/16/marine-survives-two-tours-in-i

Marine Survives Two Tours in Iraq, SWAT Kills Him
Tim Cavanaugh | May 16, 2011

"Please send me an ambulance and you can ask more questions later, please!"

Guerena tells the dispatcher that her husband had returned home about 6:30 a.m. after work and was sleeping.

Prompted by the dispatcher, Guerena says her husband was shot in the stomach and hands.

The dispatcher asks Guerena to put her cheek next to her husband's nose and mouth to see if he's breathing, but she replies in Spanish that her husband is face- down.

The operator tells Guerena to grab a cloth and apply pressure to his wounds, but the wife responds frantically: "I can't! I can't! There's a bunch of people outside of my house. I don't know what the heck is happening!"

A dispatcher asks if the people outside are the SWAT members. "I think it's the SWAT, but they ... Oh my God!" Guerena says.

A dispatcher asks that she open the door for the SWAT, but Guerena replies that the door was already opened by police.

"Is anybody coming? Is anybody coming?" she asks.

The operator tells Guerena help is on the way, but they're still trying to figure out what happened.

"I don't know, that's it, whatever I told you, that's it," Guerena says.

Just after the five-minute mark, Guerena's end of the line goes silent.

The two dispatchers spend about four minutes talking to each other and calling out for Guerena while trying to figure out if the call is coming from the same residence where the warrant was served. At the end of the 10-minute 911 call, a dispatcher says she has confirmation that Guerena is outside with deputies on the scene.

This is from Arizona Daily Star reporter Fernanda Echavarri's effort to piece together the death of Jose Guerena, 26, at the hands of a Pima County, Arizona SWAT team. Guerena, who joined the Marines in 2002 and served two tours in Iraq, was killed just after 9 a.m. May 5. Guerera had just gone to bed after working a 12-hour shift at a local mine when his home was invaded as part of a multi-house crackdown by sheriff's deputies.

Like enemy of the state Osama bin Laden, Guerena died with his wife close by. Widow Vanessa Guerena, who hid with her four-year-old son when sheriff's deputies raided the home, fills in detail that has been slow to come from Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik’s office:

"When I came out the officers dragged me through the kitchen and took me outside, and that's when I saw him laying there gasping for air," Vanessa Guerena said. "I kept begging the officers to call an ambulance that maybe he could make it and that my baby was still inside."

The little boy soon after walked out of the closet on his own. SWAT members took him outside to be with his mother.

"I never imagined I would lose him like that, he was badly injured but I never thought he could be killed by police after he served his country," Vanessa Guerena said.

The family's 5-year-old son was at school that morning and deputies say they thought Guerena's wife and his other child would also be gone when they entered the home.

Guerena says there were no drugs in their house.

Deputies said they seized a "large sum of money from another house" that morning. But they refused to say from which of the homes searched that morning they found narcotics, drug ledgers or drug paraphernalia. Court documents showing what was being sought and was found have not been made public. A computer check on Guerena revealed a couple of traffic tickets and no criminal history.

Tucson KGUN’s Joel Waldman says the SWAT team prevented paramedics from going to work on Guerena for one hour and fourteen minutes.

The sheriff’s department maintains that Guerena was holding an AR-15 when the paramilitary force fired 71 bullets in his home, but other key parts of the government story have collapsed. While PCSD initially claimed Guerena fired the weapon he was alleged to have been holding, the department now says it was a misfire by one of the deputies that caused this deadly group panic inside a home containing a woman and a toddler:

A deputy's bullet struck the side of the doorway, causing chips of wood to fall on his shield. That prompted some members of the team to think the deputy had been shot, [PCSD spokesman Michael] O'Connor said.

[Ruffdaddy]

This is why I think it'll have to be biological. Create a supervirus and cripple the country and you will make progress at fighting a guerilla war.

[Grape]

atleast this thread proves who the drug addicts are

[SlowLX]

I think you underestimate the true oath keepers in uniform. There are more than most think. I pity the ones that will stand in the way of the citizens doing what needs to be done to restore this country to the state it was originally intended.

Once the "Supreme Iowa Fighting Force" takes out citizens exercising their true patriotic duties, hell will follow... no lie.

I think you're underestimating how drawn to their CO's and small unit leaders the average 17-21 year old soldier is subconsciously. With out mass defections by the officer corps you won't see mass defections by the enlisted corps, because they will come down on them like an iron fist and most enlisted men who were wavering will revert back to a boot camp mentality to please their superiors without even realizing it.

You are also assuming the national guard would be called in to fire on their own US citizens first or the military for that matter. Think of all the crack pot militias over the years and how they've been neutralized, the FBI and federal law enforcement in general would be on any massive uprising like stink on shit before anything could get organized effectively.

So like I said, prove to me there is a logical and realistic way for your revolution to happen without mass defections from the upper units of the American military and government. If you try and stir up dissent in the military without being at least a full bird colonel your ass is going to Leavenworth no questions asked. The system is so entrenched into American society Denny, I honestly don't believe there is ANYTHING you or any of the other secessionists can do without help from a congressional split or Generals and Admirals splitting form the American government. Look at the last civil war even, it began with a congressional split. The American public is too fragmented and docile to do a fucking thing without proper motivation and support from their leaders. So if you're serious about wanting to create a second union or at least trash this system so bad it has to be reset my advice to you is to get elected and convince as many of your fellow congress members to follow you...take a few generals while you're at it. Because other wise if you try to do anything you'll just find your ass in jail.