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    Interesting. I'm sure the conspiracy theory nuts are going crazy on this.


    A picture of the tail rotor of the chopper that the Navy Seals' Team Six detonated revealed unfamiliar features. Reports say it could be a new, secret helicopter.
    When the Team Six members reached Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad one of the choppers made a "controlled but hard landing," according to reports, probably due to higher than expected temperatures.
    Temperatures affects the density of the air, and low density makes it harder for the rotor to sustain the weight of the chopper, especially if it was near its maximum weight (being packed with soldiers and fuel to fly in from Afghanistan). Abbottabad is about 1200 meters above the sea level, and altitude also affects air density. (Inside the Osama bin Laden Strike: How America Got Its Man.)
    So what machine exactly experienced the hard landing described above? Short answer: we don't know for sure. Long answer: It seems that the tail rotor visible in the picture belongs to a highly modified version of the H-60, the chopper of choice of the special forces for more than 30 years. Aviation Week doesn't beat around the bush, claiming: "A previously undisclosed, classified stealth helicopter apparently was part of the U.S. task force that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan on May 1."
    Stealth technology on helicopters is not itself new, but the fact that a previously unknown machine was used in this raid is yet another proof of the degree of importance that this mission had for U.S. commanders. (Watch President Obama's announcement of Osama bin Laden's death.)
    Aviation Week then goes techie and explains what we can see from that picture: "Photos disseminated via the European PressPhoto agency and attributed to an anonymous stringer show that the helicopter’s tail features stealth-configured shapes on the boom and the tail rotor hub fairings, swept stabilizers and a 'dishpan' cover over a five-or-six-blade tail rotor. It has a silver-loaded infrared suppression finish similar to that seen on V-22s."
    Low radar visibility was essential, for the Pakistani air force would have either scrambled its jets if an unknown threat to its airspace (and near the country's best military academy!) was detected, or fired its surface to air missiles. It's possibly more proof of the fact that Pakistan really knew nothing about the mission - or at least its first wave of attack - until it ended. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden.)
    This would explain why the Seals wasted critically precious time to blew up the mysterious helicopter and why many experts had problems identifying its remains. It's unclear what Pakistan could have made of the downed chopper, but growing ties between Pakistani and Chinese armed forces could have made the destruction of such new machine a must. China and Pakistan, over the past two decades, have developed a multi role combat aircraft called JF-17 and an advanced trainer, the JL-8.
    The Navy Seals usually fly in the famed Sikorsky UH-60, popularized by the movie Black Hawk Down, in which two UH-60 were shot down in Somalia, resulting in the death of 18 men.
    Black Hawk Down was a scenario, insiders say, that together with first attempt to rescue the hostages held at the U.S. embassy in 1980 in Iran, that's been evoked constantly in the planning phases leading to the May 1 raid, as examples of potentially disastrous outcomes. (Via Aviation Week)

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    Originally posted by talisman View Post
    Interesting. I'm sure the conspiracy theory nuts are going crazy on this.


    A picture of the tail rotor of the chopper that the Navy Seals' Team Six detonated revealed unfamiliar features. Reports say it could be a new, secret helicopter.
    When the Team Six members reached Osama bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad one of the choppers made a "controlled but hard landing," according to reports, probably due to higher than expected temperatures.
    Temperatures affects the density of the air, and low density makes it harder for the rotor to sustain the weight of the chopper, especially if it was near its maximum weight (being packed with soldiers and fuel to fly in from Afghanistan). Abbottabad is about 1200 meters above the sea level, and altitude also affects air density. (Inside the Osama bin Laden Strike: How America Got Its Man.)
    So what machine exactly experienced the hard landing described above? Short answer: we don't know for sure. Long answer: It seems that the tail rotor visible in the picture belongs to a highly modified version of the H-60, the chopper of choice of the special forces for more than 30 years. Aviation Week doesn't beat around the bush, claiming: "A previously undisclosed, classified stealth helicopter apparently was part of the U.S. task force that killed Osama bin Laden in Pakistan on May 1."
    Stealth technology on helicopters is not itself new, but the fact that a previously unknown machine was used in this raid is yet another proof of the degree of importance that this mission had for U.S. commanders. (Watch President Obama's announcement of Osama bin Laden's death.)
    Aviation Week then goes techie and explains what we can see from that picture: "Photos disseminated via the European PressPhoto agency and attributed to an anonymous stringer show that the helicopter’s tail features stealth-configured shapes on the boom and the tail rotor hub fairings, swept stabilizers and a 'dishpan' cover over a five-or-six-blade tail rotor. It has a silver-loaded infrared suppression finish similar to that seen on V-22s."
    Low radar visibility was essential, for the Pakistani air force would have either scrambled its jets if an unknown threat to its airspace (and near the country's best military academy!) was detected, or fired its surface to air missiles. It's possibly more proof of the fact that Pakistan really knew nothing about the mission - or at least its first wave of attack - until it ended. (See pictures of Osama bin Laden.)
    This would explain why the Seals wasted critically precious time to blew up the mysterious helicopter and why many experts had problems identifying its remains. It's unclear what Pakistan could have made of the downed chopper, but growing ties between Pakistani and Chinese armed forces could have made the destruction of such new machine a must. China and Pakistan, over the past two decades, have developed a multi role combat aircraft called JF-17 and an advanced trainer, the JL-8.
    The Navy Seals usually fly in the famed Sikorsky UH-60, popularized by the movie Black Hawk Down, in which two UH-60 were shot down in Somalia, resulting in the death of 18 men.
    Black Hawk Down was a scenario, insiders say, that together with first attempt to rescue the hostages held at the U.S. embassy in 1980 in Iran, that's been evoked constantly in the planning phases leading to the May 1 raid, as examples of potentially disastrous outcomes. (Via Aviation Week)
    Its more of a heavy ass aircraft couldn't get effective translational lift. I due to factors like surrounding walls etc etc. It's always a joke with students practicing confined areas that if to tight it would be hard to explain why you left your student. Either way post some pics I'd like to take a peak at it. During some training I did we had a guy who contracts for the military designing helicopters there. He spoke of a new type of rotor design that doesn't fit into any of the relevant categories we have now. Pretty sweet stuff

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    • #3
      Yeah I saw that the other day...

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      • #4
        I bet the Soviets would like to get thier hands on that chopper.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by jakesford View Post
          Yeah I saw that the other day...

          Any other pics? Ill put my tin hat on here but that bitch must have been heavy , those fly around at about 50-60% capacity each engine. At full weight they should be able to sustain flight on one engine. Also depends what model it is and how new. Those are very remarkable helicopters. Friend of mine fly them in the gaurd in Afganistan

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          • #6
            Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
            I bet the Soviets would like to get thier hands on that chopper.
            There are still Soviets?
            Originally posted by lincolnboy
            After watching Games of Thrones, makes me glad i was not born in those years.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by 03trubluGT View Post
              I bet the Soviets would like to get thier hands on that chopper.
              Why would they want that? Their country produces the fastest helicopter on the planet. They usually have cutting edge stuff

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              • #8
                It would make sense that it was some type of stealth helicopter.

                I have wondered why they were able to land so close to the compound without anyone hearing. I also wondered why it didn't throw up any radar in foreign airspace and that close to a military school.

                I don't think it's a conspiracy, we just don't want other countries to know what we have. Which would explain why we blew it up.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by jason07 View Post
                  It would make sense that it was some type of stealth helicopter.

                  I have wondered why they were able to land so close to the compound without anyone hearing. I also wondered why it didn't throw up any radar in foreign airspace and that close to a military school.

                  I don't think it's a conspiracy, we just don't want other countries to know what we have. Which would explain why we blew it up.
                  Silent is nothing new. Also I'm sure they flew under the radar. From what my friend says they fly every where about 50ft @ 120kts indicated. Have you ever seen radar in a tower or ever been inside a control tower?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by onemeangixxer7502 View Post
                    Why would they want that? Their country produces the fastest helicopter on the planet. They usually have cutting edge stuff
                    hahaha...no they don't.

                    The Sikorsky X2 is unofficially the fastest, and will soon prove to be even faster than their "unofficial" speed.

                    Second to that is the British Westland Lynx ZB500.

                    Where are you even getting your facts from?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by ruffdaddy View Post

                      where are you even getting your facts from?
                      1982
                      Originally posted by davbrucas
                      I want to like Slow99 since people I know say he's a good guy, but just about everything he posts is condescending and passive aggressive.

                      Most people I talk to have nothing but good things to say about you, but you sure come across as a condescending prick. Do you have an inferiority complex you've attempted to overcome through overachievement? Or were you fondled as a child?

                      You and slow99 should date. You both have passive aggressiveness down pat.

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                      • #12
                        Let me rephrase, one of the fastest helicopters around. Is the x2 still in the faa testing stages? I've not read much about it. Also AGUSTA westland is a italian company based in the UK

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by onemeangixxer7502 View Post
                          Let me rephrase, one of the fastest helicopters around. Is the x2 still in the faa testing stages? I've not read much about it. Also AGUSTA westland is a italian company based in the UK
                          That's where it gets confusing. I believe Westland is a finmecannica company which is Italian. The helicopter is British. Depends totally one the owning force. The record setter was also a variant for the British iirc.

                          X2 is currently in testing...which is why I eluded to the fact that the speed it has hit so far isn't near max potential. the us will nearly always have the best with 40% or worldwide defense spending. Believe it or not...were good. The us dominates financing and engineering.

                          From personal experience, US published speeds are lower than they truly are.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Ruffdaddy View Post
                            That's where it gets confusing. I believe Westland is a finmecannica company which is Italian. The helicopter is British. Depends totally one the owning force. The record setter was also a variant for the British iirc.

                            X2 is currently in testing...which is why I eluded to the fact that the speed it has hit so far isn't near max potential. the us will nearly always have the best with 40% or worldwide defense spending. Believe it or not...were good. The us dominates financing and engineering.

                            From personal experience, US published speeds are lower than they truly are.
                            Yah, I didn't think it was out of testing yet. I was working in florida while it was being tested. It will never be a viable solution in the helicopter industry . More bragging rights than anything Id guess. Either way Is there any more pics of that tail on that bird? I've been applying at URS for a cilivian IP job for the army. After awhile I could be instructing in the uh60, that would be bad ass

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by onemeangixxer7502 View Post
                              Yah, I didn't think it was out of testing yet. I was working in florida while it was being tested. It will never be a viable solution in the helicopter industry . More bragging rights than anything Id guess. Either way Is there any more pics of that tail on that bird? I've been applying at URS for a cilivian IP job for the army. After awhile I could be instructing in the uh60, that would be bad ass
                              We differ in that. I think the X2 could make it big time, it's technology that's been developing since the 50s or 60s. Sikorsky is getting it right so far, and is provin that. The way I see it, they took a negative of what the V22 is. I believe, but could be wrong and am too lazy to google, that the uh60 has been experimenting with a pusher prop as well. Are you currently on the forces or defense?

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