Oh the youth of today...

[Cobraman]

The other day in history we were talking about the " election year ending in 0 curse" and which presidents died. Some chick raises her hand and says " john kennedy was elected in 1960, does that mean he died in office?"

I called her a dumbass and ended up with a detention.

[Grape]

You keep showing your lack of diversity and understanding. Come to work with me and meet some friends. Well open your eyes a little. On the flip side alot of the old guys can't run the software or program as well. As was mentioned before, you gotta adapt.

I have operated a mill, lathe, welded, and much more. But it's way easier to generate some code and click go. I do agree that it takes both the young and the old to run a successful program. But why do I need to know any of that when I can design my parts and order them from a slew of approved suppliers without overpaying some old guy to bitch about kids.

keep thinking this country could do again what it did in the late 30's early 40's..........not happening

[talisman]

keep thinking this country could do again what it did in the late 30's early 40's..........not happening

You're arguing semantics, assuming that the modern world would arrive at a place in time where the events leading up the second world war would repeat, yet the United States would remain unchanged while the rest of the planet hurtled towards the vanishing point. Even if all those events culminated in your apocalyptic vision coming true, people are remarkable in that they stand up and fight when they are called upon. It is inherent in our nature.

Of course there are younger people operating all of the machines previously mentioned. The old gives way to the new, the people retiring are training their replacements to use their skills. Are you really proposing that in ten years no one will know how to operate a lathe? Heck, I teach it a few times a year in my own auto parts store so that people can have their brake rotors refinished. It is usually to someone who is in their early 20s.

[Grape]

You're arguing semantics, assuming that the modern world would arrive at a place in time where the events leading up the second world war would repeat, yet the United States would remain unchanged while the rest of the planet hurtled towards the vanishing point. Even if all those events culminated in your apocalyptic vision coming true, people are remarkable in that they stand up and fight when they are called upon. It is inherent in our nature.

Of course there are younger people operating all of the machines previously mentioned. The old gives way to the new, the people retiring are training their replacements to use their skills. Are you really proposing that in ten years no one will know how to operate a lathe? Heck, I teach it a few times a year in my own auto parts store so that people can have their brake rotors refinished. It is usually to someone who is in their early 20s.

lol at comparing a brake lathe to wartime production components. Our society has taught children that they are above working with their hands

[talisman]

if world war 3 comes, you will see how smart these video game playing lumps of fat aren't.

lol at comparing a brake lathe to wartime production components. Our society has taught children that they are above working with their hands

What are your hands doing while you're playing a video game? Is everyone currently involved in manufacturing wartime components over 30 years old?


Society will find a way to survive. It won't be the same society we live in today. As I previously mentioned, we are not living in the same society as out fathers, and our fathers did not live in the same society as our grandfathers. It all evolves. You're offering simplistic comparisons asserting that we would not be able to accomplish what those before us did. It is my assertion that it won't be necessary to because those things have already been done. Barring a major catasrophe that wipes out all human life, any current society will meet the needs of whatever the current world throws at it. It ALWAYS has. If it hadn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Grape]

What are your hands doing while you're playing a video game?

you are teaching yourself a learned response to a common sequence of events..........not adapting and learning how to overcome obstacles. The same why children are taught how to take tests, not actually learn how to solve problems.

[talisman]

you are teaching yourself a learned response to a common sequence of events..........not adapting and learning how to overcome obstacles. The same why children are taught how to take tests, not actually learn how to solve problems.

Isn't that what a majority of jobs in manufacturing that require you to use your hands demand? It is especially relevant to your contention that the younger generation would be unable to work an assembly line during war time. I don't think the guys putting on door panels at the GM Plant are doing a whole lot of adapting. You can't argue both sides of the fence.

[Grape]

Isn't that what a majority of jobs in manufacturing that require you to use your hands demand? It is especially relevant to your contention that the younger generation would be unable to work an assembly line during war time. I don't think the guys putting on door panels at the GM Plant are doing a whole lot of adapting. You can't argue both sides of the fence.

very good point

[Nash B.]

I dunno, at least in my eyes it seems like we've all be downhill generally since the 50s.

Hmmm...
Technology - now > then
Education - now > then
Civil Rights - now > then
Health - call it a wash
Crime - no idea how this should be compared
What am I missing?

It's been a while since I've seen an actual blackboard with chalk.

I haven't seen one since middle school. High school and college had all dry-erase whiteboards or overhead projectors.

All the old guys who are dependent on the old IMS/AS400, Mainframes are in this situation. lol

God I hate those. I hope they all die.

lol at comparing a brake lathe to wartime production components. Our society has taught children that they are above working with their hands

The world still needs ditch diggers...

[Grape]

The world still needs ditch diggers...

that's what i tell people when i drive the lambo

[78X]

Man I sure hope you did this on purpose (which I am assuming you did) but if you didn't...you are the suxorz at quoting.

yes, on purpose

[Nash B.]

yes, on purpose

Good to see I'm not the only one that that retarded ass Tapatalk app is pissing the fuck off. I'm going to make something better...

[racrguy]

What are your hands doing while you're playing a video game? Is everyone currently involved in manufacturing wartime components over 30 years old?


Society will find a way to survive. It won't be the same society we live in today. As I previously mentioned, we are not living in the same society as out fathers, and our fathers did not live in the same society as our grandfathers. It all evolves. You're offering simplistic comparisons asserting that we would not be able to accomplish what those before us did. It is my assertion that it won't be necessary to because those things have already been done. Barring a major catasrophe that wipes out all human life, any current society will meet the needs of whatever the current world throws at it. It ALWAYS has. If it hadn't, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

In short, we're standing on the shoulders of giants.

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I work in manufacturing building construction equipment for Volvo, and let me tell you, the engineers we have are idiots. It literally takes them months to do what I can do in a matter of minutes.

For example; We had a new prototype machine that I was helping put together, noticed a problem with the hydraulics. Called down the engineer, explained the problem, gave them the solution, and yet they still had me put it together according to the drawing they had. Lo and behold when it got to testing it was exhibiting the problems I said it would. So, time to call the engineers down, AGAIN, and explain the problem, AGAIN. So they say ok, and just to set it off to the side while they work out the problem. A month goes buy and what changes were made, the same ones I offered up in the beginning.

So, to people like Ruffdaddy who thinks that laborers don't know shit and our knowledge and skills aren't worthwhile, I'd love to see an engineer do what they do without the input of people like me who do what I do. And the inverse is true, I'd be hard pressed to do what I do without engineers. So you can remove yourself from your high horse and come back down to reality.

But that's a generalization of laborers, more often than not they're mouth breathing idiots. The ones that know their machine/product they're working on, their knowledge is golden.

[mikeb]

I thoiught it was funny when i bought a base level focus, and my kids asked how to roll down the windows

Now, i get to teach my daughter how to start a car with a carburetor, since hers has one.

[talisman]

In short, we're standing on the shoulders of giants.

None of us were there to validate that claim. It isn't worse. It is just different. Different times bring different societal demands. There was plenty of backlash in the 50s from the perception that the world was perfect, and suburbia was the place to be. You can tell by the writing that was done. On the Road by Jack Kerouac and Revolutionary Road (possibly the greatest American Novel ever written) by Richard Yates spring to mind. Modern media glamorizes the 50s as a golden era of the American Dream, and perhaps it was. But every dream has its dark outer edges.