More out of control hoodrats...

[03trubluGT]

It's not justification, but it may elevate it to hate crime status if it's accurate.

Good luck with that. I've yet to see any person of color charged with a hate crime. I'd like to know the national stats on the subject.

[line-em-up]

....

Those strict British gun control laws sure keep everyone safe!

It sure is. The criminals still have guns and the law abiding citizens are terrified. That's the direction I want our country to go.


A DAD-of-four who split up a fight in a McDonald’s was shot dead moments after being told he wouldn’t see the morning.

Raymond Mitchell, 34, had only popped into the restaurant to buy a hot chocolate.

But he apparently caused offence after splitting up two men fighting in the queue.

One of them, who had several gold teeth, shouted at Raymond: “You are gonna die tonight, you are not gonna see the morning.”

The thug is then said to have phoned an accomplice to fetch a gun, yelling into his mobile: “Bring me that thing.”

Raymond left the 24-hour McDonald’s but was chased into a cul-de-sac. The gun was then delivered and Mr Mitchell was beaten and pistol-whipped before being shot three times in an alley in Brixton, South London, at 6.50am on Sunday. Raymond, nicknamed Brown, was taken to hospital but died hours later.

One neighbour, who saw the shooting but was too terrified to be named, said: “He was begging, literally begging for his life. I didn’t dare look out my window in case they saw me. I heard them laughing and swearing at him, calling him a ‘b***h’. I heard them laughing afterwards as well.”

Raymond’s partner, who asked not to be named, said: “I’m terrified. They’re still out there and they’ve not been caught. I’ve been told how they were laughing, actually laughing after they beat him and shot him. How could anybody do something like that?”

[03trubluGT]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-23075797/

The end of tolerance should be rapidly approaching.

[Kyle]

If I would have been there, then I would knocked both of those girls flat on their asses. I would've waited for the cops to get there and take my licks for hitting those two, but someone needed to help the other girl out.

That shit was ridiculous! It was broken up a couple of times and they just kept coming back for more! And the employees weren't doing a fucking thing!

[ceyko]

Good luck with that. I've yet to see any person of color charged with a hate crime. I'd like to know the national stats on the subject.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/documents/offenders.pdf

As far as reported and by the FBI...quick sum...

This is the latest on the FBI site and by OFFENDER. (More details in document/site)

By race
In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:
• 62.4 percent were white.
• 18.5 percent were black.
• 7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races,
group).
• 1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
• 0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
• 10.2 percent were of unknown race

Crimes against persons
A total of 5,136 known hate crime offenders carried out crimes against persons in 2009.
Of these offenders:
• 40.3 percent committed simple assault.
• 34.6 percent intimidated their victims.Hate Crime Statistics, 2009 U.S. Department of Justice—Federal Bureau of Investigation
Released November 2010
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• 23.5 percent committed aggravated assault.
• 1.2 percent murdered or raped their victims.
• 0.3 percent perpetrated crimes that fell into the other category, which includes
offenses collected only in the UCR Program’s National Incident-Based Reporting
System (NIBRS). (

[GhostTX]

Texas Penal Code 9.32 and 9.33 apply here...

§ 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON (a) A person
is justified in using deadly force against another:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.31;
(2) if a reasonable person in the actor's situation
would not have retreated; and
(3) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or
(B) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual
assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.
(b) The requirement imposed by Subsection (a)(2) does not
apply to an actor who uses force against a person who is at the time
of the use of force committing an offense of unlawful entry in the
habitation of the actor.


9.33. DEFENSE OF THIRD PERSON. A person is justified in
using force or deadly force against another to protect a third
person if:
(1) under the circumstances as the actor reasonably
believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.31
or 9.32 in using force or deadly force to protect himself against
the unlawful force or unlawful deadly force he reasonably believes
to be threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and
(2) the actor reasonably believes that his
intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.


I think you would need to say you thought their actions would kill her, or that they were attempting to kidnap, rape, or rob her.

I may have gotten off track here, but I thought that was the general gist. Or that's what got me on my first post - people talking about shooting - with all the law quotes and such.

9.33 is what's in play here. Remember, the use of force can be just threatening to use the firearm ("Stop or I'll shoot!"). Use of deadly force is IF they kept coming on after the first option is played. Reference 9.04, but if you present, be ready for 9.05:

PC 9.04. THREATS AS JUSTIFIABLE FORCE. The threat of force
is justified when the use of force is justified by this chapter. For purposes
of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by
the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor's purpose
is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly
force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.

PC 9.05. RECKLESS INJURY OF INNOCENT THIRD PERSON.
Even though an actor is justified under this chapter in threatening or
using force or deadly force against another, if in doing so he also recklessly
injures or kills an innocent third person, the justification afforded
by this chapter is unavailable in a prosecution for the reckless injury or
killing of the innocent third person.

IANAL, though. As ceyko infers, every time you present your firearm, there's lawyers and a jury attached.

[Treasure Chest]

Good luck with that. I've yet to see any person of color charged with a hate crime. I'd like to know the national stats on the subject.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html

By race

In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:

62.4 percent were white.
18.5 percent were black.
7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
10.2 percent were of unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)

[Snatch Napkin]

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html

By race

In 2009, the racial breakdown of the 6,225 known hate crime offenders was as follows:

62.4 percent were white.
18.5 percent were black.
7.3 percent were groups made up of individuals of various races (multiple races, group).
1.0 percent were American Indian/Alaskan Native.
0.7 percent were Asian/Pacific Islander.
10.2 percent were of unknown race. (Based on Table 9.)

REPOST!~!!!!

[Treasure Chest]

REPOST!~!!!!

I know where you sleep, fucker!
Oops.

[exlude]

While they may be aggressive, black, smelly and disgusting, they are still girls and the only thing they are gonna do is pull hair, scratch and arm punch. If you have any skills at all, it is easy to defend yourself against that.

If you wanna act like a man, you get treated like a man. Crush their fucking skulls in and they might think about it the next time they wanna monkey around.

[idrivea4banger]

They can't dodge bullets.

[Snatch Napkin]

If you wanna act like a man, you get treated like a man. Crush their fucking skulls in and they might think about it the next time they wanna monkey around.

That would make explaining lawful defense a bit tough.


They're just girls. A quick forearm to the jaw bone puts them to sleep. You don't even have to put much force behind it.





you might want to
keep that in mind, Jenn

[Treasure Chest]

That would make explaining lawful defense a bit tough.


They're just girls. A quick forearm to the jaw bone puts them to sleep. You don't even have to put much force behind it.





you might want to
keep that in mind, Jenn

I'd be more worried about waking up with a hairbrush in an uncomfortable place the next morning.

[exlude]

That would make explaining lawful defense a bit tough.


They're just girls. A quick forearm to the jaw bone puts them to sleep. You don't even have to put much force behind it.





you might want to
keep that in mind, Jenn

I'm not going to armchair quarterback you through a fight but you'd be fine if you kept it quick.

[Snatch Napkin]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-viral-video-mcdonalds-20110422,0,4613709.story

A video of a vicious beating at a Baltimore County McDonald's restaurant went viral Friday, garnering hundreds of thousands of views on various websites and prompting the fast food giant to issue a statement condemning the incident.

The video was apparently first posted to YouTube, then taken down by administrators who said it violated the site's policies. But it sprung back up on various sites and was ultimately linked from the popular Drudge Report, which gave it top billing for much of the day.

By mid-afternoon, the video had received 450,000 views on one site alone.

The attack occurred April 18 in the 6300 block of Kenwood Ave., in Rosedale, county police said. Police said a 14-year-old girl has been charged as a juvenile, while charges were pending against an 18-year-old woman. Police said the incident "remains under investigation and the state's attorney's office is reviewing the case."

Police said the victim was a 22-year-old woman who suffered cuts to her mouth and face, and a police report said she was in "fair" condition.

According to a police report, one of the suspects said that the fight was "with a woman over using a bathroom."

State's Attorney Scott D. Shellenberger said the racial dynamics of the incident – the attackers are black, and the victim is white – could result in hate crime charges.

"We just received this case, and the police department is continuing their investigation," Shellenberger said. "If there is evidence that the crime was racially motivated, we will take a look at those charges and see if we meet those elements. We have the ability, if the facts are there, to upgrade the charges at a later date."

As the video spread online, McDonald's acknowledged that the attack had occurred in a Baltimore restaurant and said they were working with local police.

"We are shocked by the video from a Baltimore franchised restaurant showing an assault. This incident is unacceptable, disturbing and troubling," the company said in a statement posted on its website. "Nothing is more important than the safety of our customers and employees in our restaurants. We are working with the franchisee and the local authorities to investigate this matter."

The video begins with two women – who are black – near a bathroom door kicking and hitting a white woman who is lying on the ground. The racial dynamics of the attack drove much of the commentary on the sites that posted the video. But many expressed shock at the sheer brutality.

An employee repeatedly tries to separate them, but the attackers continue to stomp and kick the victim's head. People yell, "Stop! Stop!" to no avail. An older woman at one point also attempts to pull the attackers away, and is shoved.

About halfway through the three minute clip, the attackers rip a wig off the victim and drag her by her hair to the front door. The camera gets jerky, but one of the woman can be seen landing a punishing blow to the victim's head as she sits on the floor, and the victim then appears to have a seizure.

Throughout the attack, a man is filming and does not intervene. But when the victim appears to go into a seizure, he yells, "She having a seizure, yo. … Police on their way. Y'all better get out of here."