Guys shoots veteran and his dog

[Jimbo]

Stevo

I don't see intent to cause harm there, if he was yelling that at 75ft from the house.

[stevo]

I don't see intent to cause harm there, if he was yelling that at 75ft from the house.

I see it differently, as I see a guy approaching me, no matter the distance, screaming I'm going to have to shoot him as a threat.

We can disagree on it.

Stevo

[Rick Modena]

This just may be another case of the media demonizing gun owners. They intentionally write stories the way they do.

"The rich control the goverment, the media (control) the law."

[Ruffdaddy]

Again, what does distance have to do with the threat? A .22 rifle will cover a good bit of distance. Are you saying that being with any firing range was a stupid move?


White trash, classy. I see your point about the dog already being shot. I suppose I am used to not being afraid of most people with firearms, even while they are using them. I guess my view of reasonable people who don't shoot one another when they argue (even while handling firearms) is outdated. I simply have a difficult time moving my mindset into the world that you are apparently comfortable in. A world where most people are unreasonable and irrational. If it is stupid to hope that isn't true, then I am guilty of being stupid.

The distance has everything to do with whether the shooter felt threatened. How are you still only looking at one side of the story? Had the deceased been more intelligent with his decision to charge this guys home while threatening him, he would be alive to press charges on the guy for shooting his dog.

I was always taught not to pull a gun unless I fully intend to use it. I expect the same from someone else holding a gun. In a real world, people dont just use guns as discussion points.

[AdamLX]

I see it differently, as I see a guy approaching me, no matter the distance, screaming I'm going to have to shoot him as a threat.

We can disagree on it.

Stevo

So your neighbor across the street from you opens his front door and threatens that he's "going to come whoop your ass" and it's ok for you to start blasting at that distance?

He'll get convicted, but end up with an easy sentence.

[Jimbo]

I see it differently, as I see a guy approaching me, no matter the distance, screaming I'm going to have to shoot him as a threat.

We can disagree on it.

Stevo

I can see that. For me I guess it would really boil down to seeing and hearing his actions and words to view him as a lethal threat.

[Ruffdaddy]

I can see that. For me I guess it would really boil down to seeing and hearing his actions and words to view him as a lethal threat.

Yup, we need to hear from more than just the "victims" friends. I'm also willig to suggest the 75ft was a little overestimated by the friends.

[Jimbo]

The distance has everything to do with whether the shooter felt threatened. How are you still only looking at one side of the story? Had the deceased been more intelligent with his decision to charge this guys home while threatening him, he would be alive to press charges on the guy for shooting his dog.

I was always taught not to pull a gun unless I fully intend to use it. I expect the same from someone else holding a gun. In a real world, people dont just use guns as discussion points.

That is my point, yelling at the homeowner at 75ft , he is not a threat. If he was charging at the man and and seemed to be intent on harming him, then he is. I didn't interpret it as the man charging the house with a weapon. I only saw it as a guy who is pissed that some grumpy fugger shot his dog.

[Rick Modena]

Yup, we need to hear from more than just the "victims" friends. I'm also willig to suggest the 75ft was a little overestimated by the friends.

I was not there by any means but, I'm pretty sure when homeskillet got shot, he went down right there. Giving an approximate distance from the shooter, if you're the friend after watching this maniac shoot the dog and then his friend are you going to stick around? I doubt it, you're gonna run and call for help i'm sure.

[Ruffdaddy]

That is my point, yelling at the homeowner at 75ft , he is not a threat. If he was charging at the man and and seemed to be intent on harming him, then he is. I didn't interpret it as the man charging the house with a weapon. I only saw it as a guy who is pissed that some grumpy fugger shot his dog.

Well then we see it drastically different. If it were me, I would talk to the cops and tend to the dog. Not attack someone with a gun shooting pets. And I dn sure wouldn't charge the yard and yell threats.

[stevo]

So your neighbor across the street from you opens his front door and threatens that he's "going to come whoop your ass" and it's ok for you to start blasting at that distance?

He'll get convicted, but end up with an easy sentence.

No, now if said neighbor saw me standing on my porch holding my rifle in my hand, crossed the street, came onto my property and yelled at me "you are going to have to shoot me" as he approaches me, then yes, I'm going to shoot him.

It will be up to a jury. I'm sure all the details will come out, I bet he doesn't get convicted or does a plea bargain for a slap on the wrist.

Stevo

[Jimbo]

Well then we see it drastically different. If it were me, I would talk to the cops and tend to the dog. Not attack someone with a gun shooting pets. And I dn sure wouldn't charge the yard and yell threats.

Thats the different pov's, then. While I wouldn't have made myself an easy target either, I wouldn't have assumed him to be that crazy until he popped that shot off into the dog owners chest.

[scootro]

I grabbed my balls and said "Fuck you, bitch! for shooting my dog!" and bang I was dead.

[ceyko]

The reality is that even as a gun holder (CHL)....

-Shooting someone over your pet being shot on someone else's property - probably is not a no bill offense

-Charging onto their land is probably not wise

Common sense goes a long way. Even if you win the gun battle, you're going to have a hell of a court battle.

I know it's hard to put emotions aside in a situation like that, but you have to use judgement. As much as I HATE to say it, it seems like...

1. The dog should've been kept under control (I believe this anytime pets are in public and practice what I preach)
2. The man never should've went on his property with a pissed off person shooting guns

I'm not saying the shooter did what was morally right. I'm just saying what common sense would indicate to me - if I were carrying or not.

[stevo]

2. The man never should've went on his property being confrontational and shouting threats with a pissed off person shooting guns

That is the only thing I would change in your statement.

Stevo