Gun Porn Thread

[JamisonFRC]

Remington 40x .308 and Sako TRG 42 .338 Lapua.

[Moose242]

It is rare that we get 4 writers together outside of SHOT, so we seized this photo opportunity and took a few nice snapshots.
Please excuse my use of the surplus German helmet as we ran out of proper ones.
But featured is a very nice Pederson PB, Garand, M1941 Johnson, and a good old M16A1.

From left to right we have Ian McCollum, me, Nathaniel F., and Patty.

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[BlackGT]

[Moose242]

The only footage in existence of a Pedersen Autoloader was taken this weekend. It is a Pb model, of which 13 were made.

It fires waxed .276 Pedersen ammunition and feeds from a 10 round en-bloc clip. It functions via a unique toggle delayed blowback operation and was a hair away from being adopted by the US military (and Britain). This was favoured over the M1 Garand to win until MacArthur intervened:

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The only footage in existence of a Pedersen Autoloader was taken this weekend. It is a Pb model, of which 13 were made.

It fires waxed .276 Pedersen ammunition and feeds from a 10 round en-bloc clip. It functions via a unique toggle delayed blowback operation and was a hair away from being adopted by the US military (and Britain). This was favoured over the M1 Garand to win until MacArthur intervened:

I do not see that working well under any other condition besides clean and well oiled.

[CJ]

I do not see that working well under any other condition besides clean and well oiled.

I believe it passed the same trials as the Garand did.

[Moose242]

I believe it passed the same trials as the Garand did.

Correct, but the Garand won because he had a rifle that could use 30-06. He made a single rifle in 30-06 (.276 was the original Garand caliber) that he demonstrated to Ordnance and it won out.

Fun fact: John Browning called Pederden the greatest gun designer in the world.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I see that hinge as a failure point during combat, and I suspect field cleaning of a jammed hinge would have been a common complaint

[shumpertdavid]

reminds me of a luger

[Moose242]

I see that hinge as a failure point during combat, and I suspect field cleaning of a jammed hinge would have been a common complaint

It was the first semiautomatic rifle that was accepted for use by the United States military and equaled or surpassed the Garand rifle in testing.

In comparison, the garands open receiver is extremely sensitive to dirt and mud, leading to numerous malfunctions in combat. It is one of the most poorly designed receivers in regards to sealing in military history.





Lightly highlighted in green are gaps between the bolt and the receiver, which allow dust and debris to enter the action and impede functioning (not visible is the large opening in the receiver bridge, a major ingress point for foreign matter). Highlighted in red are the surfaces critical to locking the action, which in this design unlike virtually any other rotating bolt service weapon are exposed to the elements.

In contrast to other designs, both those more modern and those contemporary to it, the M1 Garand rifle is at a much greater risk of foreign matter ingress slowing or stopping entirely the operation of the weapon. With the bolt closed, dirt, debris, and dust are allowed through the openings between the bolt and the receiver; with the bolt open – as when loading the rifle – the locking surfaces are unprotected to assailing grit and other potential obstructions, which if fouled could prevent the closure and locking of the bolt, or even create an unsafe firing condition.

Why was the Garand not designed with greater protection of its moving parts, especially the locking surfaces? It’s difficult to know; but John Garand surely had his reasons. It is, though, an aspect of the design rightly forgone in the great majority of other selfloading service rifles.

[Moose242]

In fact, check out how comically shit-tier M1 actions are when it comes to sensitvity to the elements:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/05/inrange-tvs-heinous-m1a-abuse/

[John -- '02 HAWK]

I'm not defending the garand's design. But just by looking at the operation of the Pedersen Autoloader I can imagine the failure rate would have been much higher than the garand.


And the complications of a scope mount

[Moose242]

I'm not defending the garand's design. But just by looking at the operation of the Pedersen Autoloader I can imagine the failure rate would have been much higher than the garand.

Why?

[matts5.0]

Why?

Because it looks more complicated, you can't look at both side by side and see that one looks more complicated to the novice/average gun guy?