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    .223/5.56 powder questions

    So over the past month or so I have been building up a good lot of different powders so I can begin sorting through looking for a good load.

    Only problem is, through all of my research (62gr penetrator, 75gr BTHP and 55gr SP) H335 seems to be the best powder as far as Hodgdon's load data.

    There are loads for pretty much all of the powder I have but it seems that 4198 is only good for 55gr stuff. I am wanting pretty much one to two types of powder that I can focus on.

    H335 works in pretty much all grains from what I have seen in the load books.

    Right now I have 4198, 4895, h335, Benchrest

    What powder do ya'll recommend as the best 'all around' powder(s) for the grains I listed above?

    Anyone care to share a recipe if you have one?

    Any input is appreciated, thankyou
    -Chris
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    Pretty sure I've seen CJ use IMR 4895 before.
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    • #3
      Benchrest? You mean benchmark which is what I've used before with 50gr bullets also have used Varget with the same bullet.
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      • #4
        Yep, benchmark.

        I have seen the loads on imr's list, but I guess what I'm trying to ask is what is a good all around powder for 55gr, 62gr and 75gr? Right now I see h335 works for them all, just not sure if its the best 'all around powder for these loads.
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        • #5
          Your not gonna find one that does great with that much spread in weight. You might find one that will push them all but its typically gonna only be great on one end of the spectrum.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gtracer View Post
            So over the past month or so I have been building up a good lot of different powders so I can begin sorting through looking for a good load.

            Only problem is, through all of my research (62gr penetrator, 75gr BTHP and 55gr SP) H335 seems to be the best powder as far as Hodgdon's load data.

            There are loads for pretty much all of the powder I have but it seems that 4198 is only good for 55gr stuff. I am wanting pretty much one to two types of powder that I can focus on.

            H335 works in pretty much all grains from what I have seen in the load books.

            Right now I have 4198, 4895, h335, Benchrest

            What powder do ya'll recommend as the best 'all around' powder(s) for the grains I listed above?

            Anyone care to share a recipe if you have one?

            Any input is appreciated, thankyou
            -Chris
            Ive used IMR4895, W748, BLC(2), Varget and H335

            My advice, try them all. Find the one YOUR gun likes. Each gun seems to like different powders, bullets and various velocities.

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            • #7
              Like Dacotua said you need to play with powders. But to get you started

              The standard for heavy weight .223 is Varget. That's what the Mk262 DMR round is that the US Military issues. That load btw is 22.5gr Varget behind a 77gr Sierra MatchKing.

              IMR 4895 is a slightly faster burning powder than Varget, it's good for 70gr+ as well. This powder is the standard for 30-06 M1 Garand loads.

              IMR 4198 is the standard extruded original Stoner powder designed for the M16, which was replaced by McNamara's accountants in Vietnam with WC844 and created all those reliability and cleaning problems everyone likes to bring up. I wouldn't go heavier than an SS-109/62gr projectile with that fast of a powder.

              H335 is Hodgdon's civilian equivalent of WC844 ball powder, essentially. The advantage H335/WC844 has is it's a ball powder so it meters very accurately. The disadvantage is they are dirtier than extruded powders like IMR-4198, Varget, and 4895.
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              • #8
                Varget is another good Garand powder.
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                • #9
                  Okay, Well I used Benchmark, H335 and 4895 to load 3 sets of 10 to try out at the range. Loaded them up from min-max. Was reading online that it is good to load 5-10 of each weight so you can test the grouping but with the way components are going right now, not sure this is feasible.

                  I used 75gr BTHP for the load and will try to get out to elm fork to test em out. I don’t have a chrono but I can certainly see a flattened primer or a bad grouping.

                  I looked online and noticed that there is a recipe for 55gr projectiles in 4198,4895,h335 and benchmark so I loaded 5 of each up at the max as Nolser/IMR/Hogdon recommends the max 25gr charge.

                  I guess I need to learn more about burn rate…it seems to be the driving force.

                  Thanks for all of the feedback, I really appreciate the patience…lol
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                  • #10
                    That's one way to do it. The other is to load up in .2gr increments and fire all at the same poa to find the accuracy node then load a few in that node and shoot for the best group.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dee View Post
                      That's one way to do it. The other is to load up in .2gr increments and fire all at the same poa to find the accuracy node then load a few in that node and shoot for the best group.
                      I would need to load up more than one round that way right..

                      23.0 x5, 23.2 x5...etc?

                      Anyone going to the range soon?
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                      Originally posted by Baron Von Crowder
                      You can not imagine how difficult it is to hold a half gallon of moo juice and polish the one-eyed gopher when your doin' seventy-five in an eighteen-wheeler.

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                      • #12
                        No just one at each. Shoot all and the node will show a charge range where 3-4 will be close and others will string out. Most will show 2 accurate nodes one at lower velocity and one at the top end.
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                        • #13
                          You better really meter that powder perfectly if you're going to rely on 1 fired round to determine the velocity.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by CJ View Post
                            You better really meter that powder perfectly if you're going to rely on 1 fired round to determine the velocity.
                            Velocity can be checked later after the initial test, since accuracy should trump velocity. Find the node then load 5-10 rds out of the node and shoot for groups and velocity.
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                            • #15
                              I've never heard of anyone doing it that way before. So you go to the range with say 10 different powder charges and fire them at a target? How do you determine accuracy since it's based on repeatability?
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