460 rowland ideas

[futant]

so im now thinking 460 rowland in my glock 21

CJ - why do you hate compensators so much ? is it the blast back in your face or something ? i once shot a little 9mm XD that had barrel ports and hated it. Sure it shot smooth , little recoil like a laser but damn it was annoying to shoot.
Just curious your experiences here.


Next topic is that I want to load 460 rowland in 45 super brass. Now I think at first this sounds like a bad idea, but I can't find any real data to support WHY NOT ?
The brass is the exact same as the 45 super brass, just .10" longer (or whatever it was, sorry maybe a 1/16 " I forget)

so i was thinking rather than buy the rowland specific conversion kit @ 320$
get a 6.6" lonewolf threaded barrel and their compensator, plus the stoutest spring assembly i can (thinking >24lb if possible)
Then shoot my 460 rowland loads in a 45 super case.

the gun will probably look god awful, but be a beast
should give me the power i want to hunt with it too. Then i would just see if the accuracy , and me shooting it would get me beyond 50yrds or not.

[CJ]

so im now thinking 460 rowland in my glock 21

CJ - why do you hate compensators so much ? is it the blast back in your face or something ? i once shot a little 9mm XD that had barrel ports and hated it. Sure it shot smooth , little recoil like a laser but damn it was annoying to shoot.
Just curious your experiences here.


Next topic is that I want to load 460 rowland in 45 super brass. Now I think at first this sounds like a bad idea, but I can't find any real data to support WHY NOT ?
The brass is the exact same as the 45 super brass, just .10" longer (or whatever it was, sorry maybe a 1/16 " I forget)

so i was thinking rather than buy the rowland specific conversion kit @ 320$
get a 6.6" lonewolf threaded barrel and their compensator, plus the stoutest spring assembly i can (thinking >24lb if possible)
Then shoot my 460 rowland loads in a 45 super case.

the gun will probably look god awful, but be a beast
should give me the power i want to hunt with it too. Then i would just see if the accuracy , and me shooting it would get me beyond 50yrds or not.

Vanity. They are just ugly as shit. They don't fit any holsters, tear down is kind of a pain in the ass, you can't suppress them, they are heavier, and they are just large/clumsy. In my opinion .460 Rowland is awesome ballistically, but it's a cartridge that exceeds the capability of the frame. The Compensator is just a way to rig the action to prevent it from destroying itself.

As for the brass, the reason Rowland is .10" longer is so people can't shoot it in standard frames/barrels. If you use standard brass (.45 super for instance) it's not going to headspace right, and you might get light primer strikes or no strikes. It all depends on whether or not the extractor is going to hold the round close enough to the firing pin. Not to mention it uses hard to find proprietary brass.

I think it's a cool cartridge, but I don't really need it myself. For me the nail in the coffin is the fact that 10mm isn't too far from a .460 Rowland. The frame can take it, there are factory available guns chambered in it, and you get more capacity.

[futant]

i wasn't suggesting to use 460 rowland in a 45acp/super barrel
I was suggesting use 45 super brass , loaded to 460 rowland levels in a 45acp/super barrel that is fully supported.

so if its only vanity, then ill probably go for it.
Yeah i mean they look rediculous , but what do i give a shit? not really a vanity kind of guy, more performance / utility here....

[CJ]

i wasn't suggesting to use 460 rowland in a 45acp/super barrel
I was suggesting use 45 super brass , loaded to 460 rowland levels in a 45acp/super barrel that is fully supported.

so if its only vanity, then ill probably go for it.
Yeah i mean they look rediculous , but what do i give a shit? not really a vanity kind of guy, more performance / utility here....

Okay, it sounded like you were talking about using .45 super cases in a .460 Rowland barrel.

I wouldn't do it because the frame can't take the pressures. The reason .460 Rowland has the compensator is not to reduce muzzle climb or recoil. It's to increase the unlocking time. The pressures are so high in a .460 Rowland that the design of the 1911 locking system prematurely unlocks. It will certainly destroy the gun and frame over time. A 1911 just isn't meant for those pressures. Hence my complaints for .460 Rowland being a kind of rigged up caliber.

[futant]

glock 21

[CJ]

glock 21

I know some people have done the glocks. I would be willing to bet it has to have a compensator to delay the unlocking time as well. I don't know much about conversions on those. I assumed we were talking about 1911's.

[Bassics]

I have always been a fan of 45 win mag, and while it has advantages and disadvantages over 460, let me ask have you considered a grizzly in 45WM?

because one thing i can guarantee, when you get to the big numbers in an autoloader you really start getting to the point where the whole platform has to be tuned perfectly to function perfectly. a few grains in bullet, a few coppers in pressure, suddenly the spring is wrong etc.