Reloading w/o a chrono

[Nash B.]

No.

What else does a chronograph tell you?

[CJ]

What else does a chronograph tell you?

see my post above I've been constantly ninja editing, it pretty much explains the idea.

[CJ]

When Did I say that? I stated people use federal as a benchmark if you do not get this I cannot help you. I never said federal shot any better than a handload.

Because good handloaded ammo tailored to your gun is better than factory match ammo.

With out a chronograph to measure what you are doing NO it isn't.
Why do you think most shooters use Federal gold medal match as a standard?
you are not tailoring anything by grouping at 100 yards except what it will group at 100 what happens past that? You don't know because you don't know how fast it is moving and the speed difference between your rounds.

Right there.


edit: ew, caught you before the delete.

[dmdakota]

I was not talking about which ammo grouped better I was stating that you are not tailoring anything by looking at groups at 100 yards.

[CJ]

I was not talking about which ammo grouped better I was stating that you are not tailoring anything by looking at groups at 100 yards.

You're tailoring it at 100 yards, which is why the first recommendation was to find your target distance, and then group at that distance. A chrono will not help you with that at all.

[dmdakota]

Except how it groups at 100

[CJ]

Except how it groups at 100

That's why I told him to pick his target distance. You're again attempting to pull me into your previous topic, which is varied ranges, and it's accuracy at any range that presents itself. As I mentioned before, all of that can be calculated without the use of a chronograph, just to prevent you from taking this discussion off topic again.

[dmdakota]

If you do not have a chronograph you will not know the es or the sd of your rounds which shooting in close range 500 yards and in won't make a huge difference.
your main concern as Cj said is grouping at short range.

copied from post #5

are we good?

I think maybe we are not quite understanding each other and this is the problem. He is shooting a deer he doesn't care if the group is .25 moa or 1 moa because it wont matter Hence the factory ammo comment.

Then someone responded about tailoring a load for his gun while shooting at 100 yards What I was trying to convey is that without a chronograph past that distance you won't know what is truly going to happen to your group size and bullet impacts without this tool.

[CJ]

If you do not have a chronograph you will not know the es or the sd of your rounds which shooting in close range 500 yards and in won't make a huge difference.
your main concern as Cj said is grouping at short range.

copied from post #5

are we good?

I think maybe we are not quite understanding each other and this is the problem. He is shooting a deer he doesn't care if the group is .25 moa or 1 moa because it wont matter Hence the factory ammo comment.

Then someone responded about tailoring a load for his gun while shooting at 100 yards What I was trying to convey is that without a chronograph past that distance you won't know what is truly going to happen to your group size and bullet impacts without this tool.

The question bottlerocket was posing was regarding accuracy, how to achieve it without constantly making trips to the range. I think what you're doing is explaining what he cannot do without a chronograph, and not what he was asking, as in what he can do without one. ES and SD are applicable for calculating how much your groups might open up at long range (like 500+ yards as you mentioned) I do not think he will be needing this info for deer hunting. The point at which we disagreed was your statement that store bought federal is more accurate than hand loads unless you have a chronograph.

[dmdakota]

we are arguing different points


Yes with enough time you can create a load that will shoot better than FGMM that is not what I was trying to say. This is my point he is shooting DEER are quarter inch groups needed? He has said he has limited time to get this done so I make a good suggestion a 168gr amax is great round for Deer.

[dee]

Won't a load that groups 1 MOA at 100 yards group about the same 1 MOA at 300 yards, just lower?

Not always some will shoot great at 100 and start stringing at farther distances. The best thing to do is shoot at about 250-300yrds (this is even more important with longer heavier bullets like the 200 and upgr 30 cal and 338 cal stuff). That being said it will shoot minute of whitetail out to 300 thats just not as precise as I prefer.

[dee]

With out a chronograph to measure what you are doing NO it isn't.
Why do you think most shooters use Federal gold medal match as a standard?
you are not tailoring anything by grouping at 100 yards except what it will group at 100 what happens past that? You don't know because you don't know how fast it is moving and the speed difference between your rounds.

I can throw together reloads with the same components as FGMM and be more accurate for the simple reason of better QC.