CHL Managing a Bar

[slow99]

I had no idea a CHL could manage a bar.

[ThreeFingerPete]

I had no idea a CHL could manage a bar.

Poor grammar runs this place, so why not?

[slow99]

Poor grammar runs this place, so why not?

Lol

[Stephen]

Poor grammar runs this place, so why not?

It was a very rough night at work. I'm sorry if my spelling and grammar wasnt perfect..

[NTexas_V-Star]

this is exactly what im wanting to know.. we are not a 51% bar but very close to it

Check the TABC license. Should be some portion of it that is either in RED or BLUE lettering. Blue, you should be good to go, Red, not so much.

I'm not a lawyer, so check other sources as well.

[GhostTX]

I believe if you are in a bar that isn't posted you are ok. I believe the requirement was recently changed to say it has to be posted, even if the CHL'er would assume they meet the 51% requirement.

I believe you're correct. If memory serves, during the 2009 legislative session, the requirement was made stricter in that the establishment has to be properly posted.

Correct, in that it's no longer a punishable offense if you're caught in a improperly marked 51% establishment. It must be posted in front.

GC 411.204. NOTICE REQUIRED ON CERTAIN PREMISES.
(a) A business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter
25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, and that derives 51
percent or more of its income from the sale of alcoholic beverages for
on-premises consumption as determined by the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage
Code, shall prominently display at each entrance to the business
premises a sign that complies with the requirements of Subsection (c).
...
(c) The sign required under Subsections (a) and (b) must give
notice in both English and Spanish that it is unlawful for a person
licensed under this subchapter to carry a handgun on the premises.
The sign must appear in contrasting colors with block letters at least
one inch in height and must include on its face the number "51" printed
in solid red at least five inches in height. The sign shall be displayed in
a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

PC 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued
under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if
the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or
service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined
by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section
104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
...
(k) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (b)(1) that the
actor was not given effective notice under Section 411.204, Government
Code.

If you were working there and have been appointed by the owner to be the security person, you'd be carrying under that authorization. Not as a CHL holder. If that is actually how the law is, then the whole 51% thing would not apply to you.

That seems right, as 51% is for patrons, not people under the employment of.

IANAL, though.

[mikec]

Interesting, can open carry on property? I figured I could "get away with it" if I had several acres - but I may do that in my development.

I do it all the time with no issues.

[papapepper]

Heck I work at a MEP Engineering firm and our vice president carrys his 45 at all times.... Have a persian boss that knows about this also and just allows it.

[ceyko]

I do it all the time with no issues.

I live in a standard housing development. I'm going throw on a neon yellow speedo, hip holster my g19, should sling my tac 870 and have my AR at the ready walking around my property this summer.

That ought be interesting. Yelling "Get off my lawn!" when the police come and such.

[Stephen]

Ok I've been patient lol..

A. Lets say the biz owner is cool with it
B. the restaurant is not 51%
C. I dont have a chl

Am I allowed to carry inside the restaurant since there is a lot of cash and other transactions handled there? There are patrons who drink and could possibly make a bad decision (remember cafe gecko 2 years ago).. Plus i open the restaurant and take the $$ to the bank just about every day..

I would love for some police to chime in

Imo, as a sober (while working) manager without bad intentions i should be allowed to carry. I supervise several females handling lots of cash who could easily get robbed. Ive looked on the tabc websites and it all just looks like lines of code lol

[ELVIS]

i carry when i go there, why shouldnt you?

god bless.

[whitetrash]

CHL is a null point for this. With the owners permission as an employee you would be able to carry regardless of CHL. You are more of armed security at this point. You may want to see if there are any laws that pertain to that.

If it a franchised bar or chain I can almost garrantee they have a no weapons in the workplace policy.

[John -- '02 HAWK]

CHL is a null point for this. With the owners permission as an employee you would be able to carry regardless of CHL. You are more of armed security at this point. You may want to see if there are any laws that pertain to that.

Being armed security would most likely require being bonded and having commissioned security license.

Another thing to remember is that a restaurant or bar will have a denser population and any type of shoot out has a greater chance of hitting a third party, even a hit on the offender could endanger another.